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I only own promo 45s for this song. For both its mono and stereo sides, however, it has a listed time of (3:36), but an actual time of (3:47). All database CDs state "minor tape splice glitch at :26". FYI, there was no such problem heard at the :26 mark, on either side of my promo 45.
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That's because the glitch never existed on the single masters (I knew it didn't exist on the commercial 45, but you've now indicated it doesn't exist on the promo 45 either.) The glitch exists on the original LP master. And every CD has always used the album master instead of the single master (even though they're identical except for the glitch.)
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Given that the 45 and LP version of "Don't Cry Out Loud" are identical, I wonder why a tape splice glitch would even exist on the LP master in the first place?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 24 November 2007 at 11:40am
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Is it a tape dropout at :26 in?
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Given that the 45 and LP version of "Don't Cry Out Loud" are identical, I wonder why a tape splice glitch would even exist on the LP master in the first place? |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but when an LP master is made (at least in the old days), don't the engineers essentially make a compilation of all the other "single" master tapes? That would mean the song would be transferred from it's original master tape to the LP master, which is probably where the glitch occured.
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Exactly. At least that's my guess. There must have been dirt or a defect on the album master tape at 26 seconds into "DCOL".
Edited by EdisonLite on 24 November 2007 at 5:34pm
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To add to Jim’s initial comments regarding Melissa Manchester’s “Don’t Cry out Loud”, he informs me the actual commercial 45 run time is 3:47, not 3:36 as stated on the record label. The database currently notes only the DJ 45 times for this song, though it is identical to the commercial 45 timing info.
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Does anyone know if an import CD (or for that matter, a more recent US CD) contains "Don't Cry Out Loud" WITHOUT the weird dropout glitch at 0:26? (This could easily be the case if anyone's used a single master - or maybe a foreign 2nd generation master).
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This might be slightly off topic, but I've been wondering... If an LP master is made up of a compilation of "single" master tapes, then the finished LP master would be considered a second generation tape source, right? So does this mean then that the sound quality of an LP master is inherently inferior to a "single" master?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 05 June 2009 at 10:34pm
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From a 2005 post from EdisonLite from a different thread:
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| There is a glitch on all CD copies of Melissa Manchester's "Don't Cry Out Loud" at 0:26 on the line "while she danced without a net upon the wire." It occurs during the word "she" -- there's a dropout such that the word "she" only appears on one channel. This is most noticeable on headphones. |
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I struggled with this for a few minutes until I realized I had the "mono" button pushed on my receiver. It sounds perfectly normal when you sum left and right channels, but it's plain as day in headphones.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 22 December 2014 at 3:04pm
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Here is one for the "who did it first" department:
Melissa's version of this song is actually a cover. The first time this song was released on a 45 was in 1977 by the R&B vocal group the Moments (who had a hit with their cover of "Love On A Two-Way Street" in 1970).
Their version of "We Don't Cry Out Loud" on the Stang label only reached #79 on Billboard's soul singles chart and went nowhere pop.
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Quote:
Does anyone know if an import CD (or for that matter, a more recent US CD) contains "Don't Cry Out
Loud" WITHOUT the weird dropout glitch at 0:26? (This could easily be the case if anyone's used a single
master - or maybe a foreign 2nd generation master). |
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I think the Melissa Manchester Arista Singles Collection that came out in 2017 has the song without the
glitch. I have it in a storage box somewhere, will check when I find it.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
This might be slightly off topic, but I've been wondering... If an LP master is made up of a compilation of "single" master
tapes, then the finished LP master would be considered a second generation tape source, right? So does this mean then that the sound quality of an
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It generally depends on the album but actually, no. An LP master is often a grouping of first generation mixdowns that have been spliced onto one
master reel. This would be the first generation 'master' for any given album. However, in the analog days, an LP master would actually be a
generation up from that first generation tape (which would be referred to as a 'work part' to some) as they would create an LP cutting master with
all the EQ and processing 'baked in' to create the vinyl parts from.
Single masters, if they were the same as the LP, would probably be either a copy of that first generation copy or a copy of that LP cutting master.
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thecdguy wrote:
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Does anyone know if an import CD (or for that
matter, a more recent US CD) contains "Don't Cry Out
Loud" WITHOUT the weird dropout glitch at 0:26? (This could easily be the
case if anyone's used a single
master - or maybe a foreign 2nd generation master). |
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I think the Melissa Manchester Arista Singles Collection that came out in
2017 has the song without the
glitch. I have it in a storage box somewhere, will check when I find it.
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Also, Rita Coolidge released Don't Cry Out Loud - in Japan as a single -
before Melissa ever did. And it was a hit there. It's also possible that its
composer Peter Allen released a version before Melissa, if I recall.
The glitch in DCOL can actually be heard on the vinyl LP - its parent album
("DCOL") whether LP or CD. So all the CDs that have the glitch used the LP
as a master for their source. But the actual 45 did not have a glitch in that
spot. I brought this to Sony's attention, and after that, they used the 45
source (which is the same mix - but without a glitch) for Melissa
compilation CDs, so it is available now.
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