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Posted: 02 December 2007 at 2:14pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
CD entries in the database for Bobby Sherman's "Little Woman" range from 2:19 to 2:26. Does anyone have any info regarding the actual vinyl 45 and LP run times? I'm wondering if we're dealing with a difference in length between the two.
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Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:03pm | IP Logged Quote jimct
Todd, my commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (2:22), but an actual time of (2:26).
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Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:06pm | IP Logged Quote BillCahill
My promo 45 which is mono, has a listed time of (2:22) but an actual time of (2:27)

There is no stereo side to this promo.

I compared it to the Bobby Sherman's Original "Greatest Hits" LP. (I do not have the Little Woman LP or the stock single)That LP by the way had a listed time of (2:22) and an actual time of (2:26)

The mono promo 45 is pitched up considerably in comparison to the Greatest Hits LP. You hear a little more of the recording on the promo 45 because it is pitched up and therefore has a later point in the performance for fade out.

So we may have some CDs that pitched up the track, some maybe didn't, I'm not sure, but the Greatest Hits LP needs to be sped up by at least 2% in Adobe Auditon to match the promo 45's pitch.
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Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:23pm | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1
jimct wrote:
Todd, my commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (2:22), but an actual time of (2:26).


What are the deadwax markings for your 45, jim? is the flip side stereo too? I know the B side of my 45 is mono but i have not ever played the A side of it, and it is a stock copy...i'll have to dig it out after work tomorrow and compare it, if i can remember to.

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Posted: 02 December 2007 at 9:56pm | IP Logged Quote jimct
My deadwax info for "Little Woman" is "ZTS 144418-1L STEREO." Guess that takes the mystery out of that one, Tom. My commercial 45's flip side, "One Too Many Mornings", also both states on the label, and is in fact stereo, and similarly ends its deadwax info with "STEREO".
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Posted: 03 December 2007 at 5:50am | IP Logged Quote BillCahill
My promo is ZTSP 144763 - 1A (

B Side is 144764 1-A

Record number is MM-121

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Posted: 03 December 2007 at 1:59pm | IP Logged Quote bwolfe
My single of "Little Woman" has a different flip called "Love".
When I get the chance to find it I'll see if it matches the numbers given earlier.

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Posted: 03 December 2007 at 4:36pm | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1
The trail out of Little Woman on my 45 reads ZTSP-144763 followed by a backwards S in a circle, followed by backwards writing, the numbers of which (when shown normally) would be, i think, 18950. It is a styrene pressing and the matrix numbers are hand written. It has a listed time of 2:22 and a playing time of 2:26. The audio gets really low at 2:23 but upon blasting my digital dub for the fade out i can hear the song continue to 2:26. This was the first time I had played that side of the disc, i had purchased it for the Bob Dylan tune on the flip side. Now that I know a stereo 45 is out there of this pairing, i will certainly be on the look out for it.

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Posted: 05 December 2007 at 11:50am | IP Logged Quote bwolfe
I guess I'll talk to myself.

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Posted: 05 December 2007 at 3:03pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
bwolfe wrote:
I guess I'll talk to myself.


What does that mean, Brian?
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Posted: 05 December 2007 at 3:47pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Brian W. wrote:
bwolfe wrote:
I guess I'll talk to myself.


What does that mean, Brian?


Maybe he's really Bobby Sherman and knows the correct answer! :-)
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Posted: 05 December 2007 at 8:02pm | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1
Interesting how the disc had 2 b sides,
mono promo copies, and apparently mono and
stereo stock issues.

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Posted: 06 December 2007 at 4:18pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
That reminds me that I actually saw Bobby Sherman in concert at Seattle Center in, oh, 1969 or 1970. I think my sister's Camp Fire troop went as a group, and me and my brother tagged along so my mom wouldn't have to get a babysitter.

I barely remember it, as I was only about four years old, but I do remember me and my brother getting yelled at by my mom for cutting up and chasing each other around the aisle instead of watching the concert. That and a lot of pre-teen girls screaming.
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Posted: 22 February 2018 at 7:36am | IP Logged Quote Bill Cahill
Update: With some help from Aaron, I compared my mono promo 45 to the stereo stock 45. The mono promo sounds like a dedicated mono mix
(but nothing added or missing from the stereo mix), stronger horns, sounds like some clipping/leveling added, it doesn't fade out the same
way as the stereo 45 mix (it stays louder longer with a shorter fade out), and is pitched up 1.7% in Adobe Audition, compared to the
stereo stock 45. The "Bobby Sherman" CD on K-Tel is .1% slower than the stock single. As far as the fade out times on CD being different,
I notice that the fade on the "Bobby Sherman" CD fades out slightly early. I don't have the original vinyl LP to compare these findings
and I only have some of the CD issues in the database so I can't compare them all.
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