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Here are instructions for creating the 45 edit from the LP version on Control:
Keep 0:00.0-0:01.2 of the LP version. That's "Gimme a beat."
Edit out the silence between 0:01.2-0:01.4. That's right - the 45 tightens up the gap between "Gimme a beat" and said beat. It's actually about 0.24 seconds of audio that's removed.
Keep the 8 beats between 0:01.4-0:06.1.
Edit on downbeat.
Remove the 8 beats from 0:06.1-0:10.7.
Keep the 2 beats from 0:10.7-0:11.3.
Edit on snare.
Remove the 8 beats from 0:11.3-0:15.9.
Keep the 8 beats from 0:15.9-0:20.6.
Edit on snare.
Remove the 16 beats from 0:20.6-0:29.8.
Keep 0:29.8-4:03.4 (end) of LP version.
Your mixdown will have edits at 0:01.2, 0:05.8, 0:06.4 and 0:11.1, and will run 3:44.6.
The true 45 and the Control CD version run about the same speed, at 103.7 or 103.8 BPM.
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As discussed in another thread, the exact 45 version of "Nasty" can't be re-created from the LP version, because of a "wind" sound effect on the LP version that isn't on the 45. The sound effect is somewhere near the 2 1/2 minute mark right before the line "Nastyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy boys."
Edited by aaronk on 05 December 2007 at 12:02pm
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I think you're short a "y" there, Aaron.
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LOL :-)
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I just edited my post and added the extra "y." Good catch, Brian!
Edited by aaronk on 05 December 2007 at 12:02pm
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ROFL Maybe we could call this: (45 version with extra "y" in "Nastyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy")!
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This post has turned funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...or, did I forget a 'y'?
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For some reason, this post shows up on a search for "nasty" but not "janet nasty" or "janet jackson nasty". Odd.
I wasted a bunch of time recreating the 45 edit, which is detailed above, only to realize the 45 is a very slight remix of the LP version. I think the drums on the 45 have more effects on them than the LP version. To my ears, they're just "bigger" on the 45. At the waveform level, it looks to me like the attack on the snare is shaped a little differently, with a little more sustain, but I'd like a second opinion.
By the way, the true 45 mix (if it is indeed a different mix) is on The "A" List Disc 33, which uses the same analog transfer as GoldDisc 936, only with its absolute polarity inverted. Both run at 103.8 BPM throughout, both appear to have noise reduction, and I'd guess that both are originally taken from vinyl. These two match my 45 exactly.
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The 45 mix can be found on this German compilation as
well. It is definitely not taken from vinyl, no noise
reduction, sibilance or background noise.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-High-Life-
B%C3%A4renstark/release/1036229
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Great find, elcoleccionista!
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The CD 'Design Of A Decade 1986 - 1996 - Janet Jackson - A&M 540 422-2' (1995 - international version) has a length of 3:44. I think this is the 45 mix but I have never checked since I don't own the vinyl 45 (it might be missing an Y - lol)
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Oddbjorn wrote:
The CD 'Design Of A Decade 1986 - 1996
- Janet Jackson - A&M 540 422-2' (1995 - international
version) has a length of 3:44. I think this is the 45
mix but I have never checked since I don't own the vinyl
45 (it might be missing an Y - lol) |
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It's not. There's a slight difference.
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Thank you Brian and Johann for clearing this up. I have ordered the German compilation. Could it be a US / UK difference in 45 mix, or just a 'miss' when they created this CD?
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All of the edits on both the US and international releases of Design Of A Decade were newly created in 1995 for that release.
Even though tracks like "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" run the same length and have approximately the same edit points as the original single releases, they are unfortunately not the exact original masters.
The international edition features a higher number of shorter edits (many based on the original single edits) to accommodate two additional songs not found on the US release ("Whoops Now" and "The Best Things In Life Are Free"). On this edition, even one of the NEW songs, "Twenty Foreplay", is edited!
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Thank you Underground Dub for your must valuable info (but very disappointing); So I have started to try to pick up the audit versions for the 45's edit on other sources than 'Design..'. But this will probably cost me my whole music budget both june and july (and perhaps more)...
Also a question to crapfromthepast (I always stand by your judgement about the best sound CD); Will you suggest 'No 1's' , 'Deacde..' or 'Icons' as the best pick of choice?
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I wasn't impressed with Decade, but I haven't heard No. 1's or Icons. Sorry I can't be more help here...
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Icon shares the same mastering as Number Ones which is actually in most cases the Design of A Decade masters EQ'ed and turned up WAY too loud.
Of the three, Design is the clear winner for sound quality, and Number Ones for the scope of content, though the entire Number Ones release was haphazard at best.
See this thread for more details: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5274 &KW=janet+number+ones
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Thank you both for your help. I was not aware of the other thread. Sorry about that. 'Numer Ones' is ordered.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
For some reason, this post shows up on a
By the way, the true 45 mix (if it is indeed a different mix) is on The "A" List
Disc 33, which uses the same analog transfer as GoldDisc 936, only
with its absolute polarity inverted. Both run at 103.8 BPM throughout, both
appear to have noise reduction, and I'd guess that both are originally taken
from vinyl. These two match my 45 exactly. |
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These are the only two CD sources for the 45 version?
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Several years ago, I ordered the German compilation,
High Life - Bärenstark!. Janet Jackson sounds very
nice on this CD. I just checked Discogs and you can get a
copy of the same CD for as little as $5.56.
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