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In my copy of Pat's book, it says that on the full Will To Power CD Journey Home the song runs 3:48. My Epic commercial 45 has a printed time and an actual time of 3:48, and says "Taken from the Epic release: Journey Home", and I would assume that it's the same as the Journey Home version. No remix credit or anything like that is listed. I found this commercial 45 version on Madacy's Rock On 1991, also with a run time of 3:48.
I found a longer version with a different mix on both Body Talk - Sweet Nothings (Time-Life, 1997) and Body Talk - Hearts On Fire (Time-Life, 2000). These both run 4:08. To my ears, the 4:08 version sounds like a slightly less polished version of the song, sort of what I would have expected to hear before a "single remix" is commissioned.
Aside from the length difference, the quickest way to tell them apart is the tamborine sound on every other snare hit. The 4:08 version has a double tamborine hit - one on the beat and one quickly following the beat. In contrast, the 3:48 version has only one single, very pronounced tamborine hit on the beat. The structure of the song is basically the same for both versions, with one fading about 20 seconds earlier than the other.
Does anyone know where this 4:08 mix comes from, since the book says that it's not from the Journey Home CD?
Edited by crapfromthepast on 10 August 2020 at 1:07pm
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Ron, my promo CD single (ESK 73636) has only one, non-described version on it. It has both a listed & actual time of (4:09), with the "double tambourine hit" you describe appearing on it.
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Hmmm... does that mean that the (4:09) version is the "hit" version? I assume that it's the one that got all the airplay back then?
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We did play the promo CD single version I own at our station, Ron. That's all I can vouch for.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
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Although I don't own a copy myself, I'm willing to wager that the 4:08/4:09 version of "I'm Not in Love" that appears on your Time-Life CDs and jimct's promo CD single is the one found on the cassette single. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You're talking 1990-91 here, and the cassette single had long since toppled vinyl 45s. The labels were also doing all they could to get as much $$$ as possible from us music consumers by putting different versions/mixes of the hits on different formats, thus forcing hard-core fans to buy both (cassette & vinyl), or in rare cases, all three (if a CD single was issued as well). edtop40 has already brought several other examples to light here on this board, thanks to his extensive collection of '90s cassette singles, and I highly suspect this is yet another...
If edtop40 can prove my hunch, then that would definitely make the 4:08/4:09 version the "hit" version...
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If the 4:08/4:09 version is indeed the 'hit' version, would some kind of notation need to be made in the database?
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i will check my notes over the weekend.....i do believe the cassingle version runs in that 4:08 range, but, off the top of my head i don't know if it's the cd/lp version or a remix.....
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after looking at my notes....the cassingle contains a non descibed version running 3:48....are we sure we're talking about that song and not "baby i love you're way?freebird medley" which runs 4:08 and is the lp/cd version...if anyone wants a copy of this 3:47 cassingle version send me a pm...
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edtop40 wrote:
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Well, I guess that completely shoots down my theory, lol. Do you no longer have that cassette single, ed???
Oh, and just out of curiosity, exactly when did you make the switch from vinyl 45s to cassette singles for your collection, or was it more of a gradual thing??? :-)
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when whitburns books started using cassingle as the way to id which song had a picture sleeve...i started using jan 1990 as the point of cassingles as the universal single format....i believe after that there where many songs issued as cassingles ONLY and NO vinyl 45, which forced me to use that format as the standard....
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So, the mystery deepens... the 4:09 was on the promo CD, yet the 3:49 version was on the cassingle.
Interesting.
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I've just listened to both versions. I really don't hear
a difference with the tambourine on the 4:08 version as
was mentioned before so I'm probably missing that. But I
did notice echo/reverb on the vocals. I also noticed the
ad-lib "Mmm Hmm" (a few seconds after the title is last
sung) sounds a little farther back on the 3:48 version.
Also, there are two whispers of "Be Quiet" on the 4:08
version before it fades out that aren't there on the
3:48. Overall, I'd say the 3:48 sounds fuller, with
vocals and instrumentation more upfront in the mix.
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eriejwg wrote:
So, the mystery deepens... the 4:09 was
on the promo CD, yet the 3:49 version was on the
cassingle.
Interesting. |
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I wonder if this is another case where a specific version
was meant to go on copies of the commercial single, but
ended up with the album version instead, possibly by
mistake.
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The database currently has "neither 45 nor LP version" for all CDs with the 4:09 version. I think instead those comments should probably read "promo CD single version."
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aaronk wrote:
| The database currently has "neither 45 nor LP version" for all CDs with the 4:09 version. I think instead those comments should probably read "promo CD single version." |
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Coincidentally, when I added the version to my iTunes recently, that is exactly how I labelled it. It makes the most sense, since the version was only available on that promo at first and apparently nowhere else until it appeared on the VA Compilations.
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I recall another Will To Power 45 single having a
different mix than the LP version. When Epic picked up
the group (formally with a indie Florida label) their
debut single "Dreamin'" was remixed for the single
release. It was an edit of the "New Mix" found on the
Epic 12" single, a version/edit that I don't believe has
appeared on CD.
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aaronk wrote:
| The database currently has "neither 45 nor LP version" for all CDs with the 4:09 version. I think instead those comments should probably read "promo CD single version." |
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For purposes of "hit version" the 7 inch has the 3:48, which is the LP version
https://www.discogs.com/Will-To-Power-Im-Not-In-Love/release /931947
The promo CD single however, is the only official CD single release outside the LP. If someone was going to buy a version, this was it in 1990. That or the cassette.
https://www.discogs.com/Will-To-Power-Im-Not-In-Love/release /3671803
The UK goes with the 3:48
https://www.discogs.com/Will-To-Power-Im-Not-In-Love/release /6711169
So is this a case where the 45/LP/Cassette is the hit, or the promo CD version of 4:08? I went with the 3:48.
Ed, do you have the cassette dub you can send me?
Edited by PopArchivist on 02 January 2021 at 3:11pm
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PopArchivist wrote:
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I know I never heard the promo version on the radio at all back then, so I'd also go with the 3:48 as being the "Hit Version".
But you do have to wonder what the deal was with the 4:08 version. I would think it was meant to be the Album Version and the 3:48 was meant to
be the Single Version. Is it
possible early pressings of the Album could have had the 4:08 version, and was later replaced with the remixed 3:48 version after it became a
hit?
Edited by thecdguy on 02 January 2021 at 3:49pm
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PopArchivist wrote:
The promo CD single however, is the only official CD single release outside the LP. If someone was going to buy a version, this was it in 1990. That or the
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But don't forget that the average music fan couldn't have bought the promo CD Single in stores, and therefore couldn't get that 4:08 version on CD unless they worked in the
industry or knew someone who did who had access to promos. As far as the Cassette goes, Ed mentioned upthread that it contains the 3:48 version, and apparently all the
configurations of the Album do, as well.
Edited by thecdguy on 02 January 2021 at 4:00pm
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