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jimct
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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:39) and an actual time of (3:38). My deadwax info is "S45-93934 F2". I only post this info because the only current database CD that specifies "45 version" for this song has a run time of (3:34), whereas the four current database CDs that specify "LP version" all have run times of (3:39).
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A slightly different mix of this was on the B side of "Sentimental Lady".
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Can anyone catalog the diferences between 45 & LP version?
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Offhand I don't know the difference, but I know it can be created from the LP version. It has a very interesting edit, where they took one of the cymbol hits and reversed it on the 45 version, whereas it plays forward on the LP version. My re-creation runs (3:33), so either we have two 45 versions, or else the actual 45's pitch is slower, and I didn't make that correction on my re-created version. It's been too long since I did it.
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One difference that immediately comes to mind between the 2 45 versions is that the false ending was shortened on the newer release.
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Yes, I'm pretty sure the (3:33) version that I re-created has a shortened false ending. How long is the B-side version, and how does it differ, mix-wise, from the LP and A-side 45 mix?
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Bumping this one up to see if we can determine if Jim's 45 might, in fact, be a second pressing identical to the LP version.
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I just retimed my vinyl 45 of "Hot Love Cold World" and this time I get a running time of (3:33) -- my matrix number is S45-93934B and is a commercial copy. So it looks like there are two different 45's pressed for this song.
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Has anyone checked the short commercial 45 against the 3:34 version appearing on Bob Welch's Best of CD (Rhino 70597) to verify if they're identical? If they are, then it might be helpful to have a (short commercial 45 version) comment next to that CD entry so readers will know it's not just an early fade of the LP and long commercial 45 length.
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The version on Rhino's "Best Of" is indeed the short 45 version.
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Pat, I recently acquired a bunch of new 45's, and I'm currently updating all of my new 70's findings, in chronological order. But since this song has bumped up, I will update this one now. I must apologize to you for an initial "bum steer". Always buying new songs the day that Billboard added them to the Hot 100, I was again unknowingly sold "old stock", regarding "Hot Love, Cold World", the same way I was with both "Movin' Out" and "I Can't Stand It". I had re-filed my 45 copy immediately after originally posting my "listed (3:39), actual (3:38)" info. Finally now able to re-pull it, Hykker's initial response to me was correct; I was sold a copy in mid-1978, with "Sentimental Lady" on the flip - I had never known that this was the case before. I have just acquired the "hit" 45 version (I happen to get a listed 3:35; actual 3:32 timing), with deadwax of "S45-93434", with an "A" overwritten over a "B", then "S45". Still, the deadwax info from my initial post remains eerily similar. I guess the tipoff, besides the flip, is that the "hit" 45 version has the dark purple Capitol label, whereas the one with the "Sentimental Lady" flip has the earlier, orange-colored Capitol label. Pat, my sincere apologies to both you and to everyone, for thinking what I was sold back in 1978 was the "hit" version. Man, the manager at my local "Mom and Pop" was apparently VERY aware of all flip sides, and he was obviously intent on using up his "existing store stock" copies first, with yours truly the occasional victim of being sold an earlier, non-hit stock # 45 copy!
Edited by jimct on 28 May 2008 at 12:29pm
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So, Jim, are you saying then that there is only one commercial 45 version of "Hot Love, Cold World"? In other words, there isn't a "long 45" and a "short 45" version?
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Todd, I am saying that there was only one version of the 1978 "hit remix" release, Capitol 4588, which we've been calling the "short 45 version", released in June 1978. The 45 version I had originally reported on, in error, was the LP Version of "Hot Love, Cold World", issued as the flip side of his "Sentimental Lady" 45, on Capitol 4479, originally released in October 1977. This earlier issue of "Hot Love, Cold World" was not the hit side of this single - "Sentimental Lady" was, and, in my opinion, any and all references to a "long 45 version" for "Hot Love, Cold World" should be removed from the database, as this was simply an earlier, non-hit version of what was later to become a Top 40 hit in a "remixed" form.
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jimct wrote:
| this was simply an earlier, non-hit version of what was later to become a Top 40 hit in a "remixed" form. |
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This is where I'm still confused, because I was able to successfully create the short 45 version from the LP version. So, was one of these versions actually "remixed," as Hykker alluded to earlier in the thread, or was it just a matter of editing on one version?
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