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My commercial 45, which is mono, and confirmed as Dakar 602, has a listed time of (2:48) and an actual time of (2:49). I only post this info because current database CDs that contain this song feature runtimes ranging from (2:44) to (2:54). Furthermore, long before I joined this Board, as a personal favorite song of mine, I asked and provided an old radio Chief Engineer friend of mine both a 45 dub, and my longest CD version, and asked him to digitally compare the two of them, because the endings of my CD versions didn't exactly match up with my 1969, AM radio memories. Sure enough, he was able to detect a slight edit, at the very end of my 45, and said he was barely able to re-create the 45, by using all of the last few seconds of my (2:52-2:54) length CD versions. So, if you have the original 45 & CD handy, Pat, or anyone else "digitally handy" does, I'm sure you will also discover the same thing, and certainly be able to explain it a heck of a lot better than I just did!
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jim....i agree with you.....i just listened to my vinyl 45
issued as dakar 602 with a listed run time of 2:48 an
actual time of 2:49....versus the version on 'whole lotta
soul 68-69' and there is some sort of edit near the edit
that doesn't match up with the 45....so pat....i believe
all the cd's that say '45 version' aren't really the '45
version' after all....they should be listed as
neither.....whenever time permits you may want to revisit
these cds and see if any of them have the TRUE vinyl 45
version.....
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Ed, thank you for not ignoring my original post, as I was always 100%
confident in my 2008 findings.
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I have this song on an early 70s Dunhill compilation "Big
Hits Now". It sounds like a completely different
recording. Not sure how this ended up here unless he
later signed to ABC/Dunhill and re-recorded the song, but
I wonder if this recording might have made it to CD as one
of those "neither" versions.
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Steve, my only thought about your post is that ABC did issue one Tyrone
Davis 45, as #11030, "Bet You Win/What If A Man", in Jan. 1968.
Obviously signed to a "singles" deal, it was not a hit - and their brief
partnership was over. But several different articles I've read over the years
indicate that, for most "singles only" artist signings, labels would normally
record a total of four songs, and then select the "strongest" two for the
45. Later in 1968, Davis signed with Dakar (then distributed through
Atlantic), which released "A Woman Needs To Be Loved/Can I Change My
Mind", as his initial Dakar single, on both #602, and also the much-rarer
#1452, in late November of 1968. (My original promo 45 lists "Can I
Change My Mind" as the B-side.) Is it reasonable to assume that "Can I
Change My Mind" may have been one of the two "rejected tracks" for his
1968 ABC 45? And, since it was not intended to be the "A" side of his
debut Dakar 45, Dakar likely chose to use this track, that Davis probably
had "kickin' around in his repertoire for a while", as a throwaway flip side.
Is that reasonable? That's my best guess, Steve. (And I also have *no*
trouble believing that Atlantic, like they did with Aretha, would be able to
put together a *far* better version of an R&B track than ABC would have! I
just can't think of any other possible source for your V/A LP version, as he
only recorded for Dakar and Columbia, from 1968 until 1981, except for
that ABC "one-off" 45.
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