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jimct
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 1:13pm \| IP Logged

I own two commercial 45s for this song. One says "Saturation Sound - plays mono or stereo", and my other copy doesn't, but both copies are, in fact, stereo. They are confirmed as MGM 13939, have listed times of (2:55), but actual times of (3:01).

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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 6:42pm \| IP Logged

Do all the versions, with run times of 2:58 or so, run faster than the 45, or just fade earlier?

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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 6:44am \| IP Logged

Another question: I was told a while ago that there was a DJ 45 with parts 1 and 2 together. I've never seen one. Can anyone confirm?

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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 7:06pm \| IP Logged

My promo copy has the 2:55 version on one side and the complete album version on the other.

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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 7:58pm \| IP Logged

Nice scans, Hykker! Do you know the run time for the side with the complete album version?

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Posted: 11 July 2008 at 6:37pm \| IP Logged

Todd Ireland wrote:

Nice scans, Hykker! Do you know the run time for the side with the complete album version?

Listed=7:27, actual=7:14

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Posted: 11 July 2008 at 8:22pm \| IP Logged

Thanks! I should've also asked if the DJ side with the 2:55 listed run time actually runs 3:01 like the commercial 45.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 at 8:28pm \| IP Logged

Hi Hykker,

I have two questions for you:

Does the "complete version" on your promo play in wide stereo or mono?

Does the "complete version" have the remix like the 'part one' does (i.e. echoplex on "How high can you fly" lyric)?

Andy

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AndrewChouffi wrote:

Hi Hykker,

Does the "complete version" on your promo play in wide stereo or mono?

Not sure I'd call it "wide" stereo, but it is stereo.

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Does the "complete version" have the remix like the 'part one' does (i.e. echoplex on "How high can you fly" lyric)?

Yes.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 at 11:34am \| IP Logged

very odd....my commercial 45 issued as mgm 13939 states the
run time as 2:55 and also says like jim's 'saturation
sound-plays stereo or mono' but clearly sounds mono to
me.....the vinyl 45's actually run time is 3:02.....i have
a stereo cdr version of part 1 from the varese cd 'on the
radio volume 1' which runs 2:59.....

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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 1:19pm \| IP Logged

The Varese CD used a reasonably clean promo 45 as the source because the stereo single master could not be found. I believe they used the long version on the promo 45 as the source and simply faded it where they thought it ws supposed to fade. Probably because the long side was less worn than the short side.

i know this because I was part of the discussion on this CD, they were going to use a mono version as they had that tape.

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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 7:54pm \| IP Logged

My copy is identical to Hykker's with short and long versions in stereo with the designation "saturation sound". Wikipedia reports that "The US single, released in 1968, was the first to be pressed in stereo on MGM Records." I noticed in the database that some of he cd versions are an edit of the lp version in an unsuccessful attempt to recreate the 45 version. My promo short version is simply a fade of the long version, 3:01 in length. Does anyone know if the "Part 1" is indeed an edit of the lp version or a fade? Bill's comment that the Varese CD used a promo 45 needledrop because the stereo master couldn't be found is interesting. I wonder if this is another case of destroyed or lost stereo or multitrack master tapes.

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Posted: 24 December 2012 at 6:04am \| IP Logged

Kerry Jackson wrote:

Wikipedia reports that "The US
single, released in 1968, was the first to be pressed in
stereo on MGM Records."

I don't know if it was issued this way commercially, but
my promo of the Cowsills' "In Need Of A Friend", MGM
K13909 SS is in stereo, though other than the "SS" suffix
on the catalog #, there's no other notation of this.

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Posted: 24 December 2012 at 8:33am \| IP Logged

We played the long single version of Sky Pilot at
KRIZ/Phoenix by dubbing it to tape cartridge since it
could easily be scratched. Then we learned that Eric
Burdon was really unhappy with the 45 mix which,
apparently, was done without his knowledge or permission.
From then on we played the LP track. That's probably why
the stereo single mix tape disappeared.

Anyway, the full unedited stereo 45 can be re-created by
editing the two together and adjusting the fade
down/fade/up levels (finding a clean 45 is much more
difficult!) I prefer that mix over the LP for the added
compression and special EQ made it sound much more
exciting.

GM

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Hykker wrote:

Kerry Jackson wrote:

Wikipedia reports that "The US single, released in 1968, was the first to be pressed in stereo on MGM Records."

I don't know if it was issued this way commercially, but my promo of the Cowsills' "In Need Of A Friend", MGM K13909 SS is in stereo, though other than the "SS" suffix on the catalog #, there's no other notation of this.

My Monarch-pressed stock copy of "In Need Of A Friend" is also stereo, and like your promo 45, the "SS" is the only label indication that it is.

Unfortunately, its deadwax reveals a bit more: " <-- CSG -->". Ditto for the B-side, "Mister Flynn."

The stereo "In Need Of A Friend" 45 debuted on the Hot 100 chart two and a half months before "Sky Pilot" did.

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Posted: 29 August 2014 at 5:21am \| IP Logged

I have finally acquired a "Sky Pilot" long/short promo 45, which is 100%
similar looking as Steve's 2008 label scan, posted earlier in this thread.
My copy is in fantastic condition. To me, the long version side is in
perfect, wide stereo. I just can't believe how full and sensational it
sounded with my headphones on, considering its length/small 45 grooves
and all.

The song has long been a personal fave of mine, and a CD dub of the LP
version has been in my iPod's "high rotation" for years now. As such, I am
extremely familiar with that version.

Besides the appearances of the three early, psychedelic, reverb/echo sfx
after Burdon's "how high can you *fly*", which is unique to the
stock/promo 45 versions, I noticed another clear difference between the
long version promo 45 and the LP version. The LP version fades after the
fifth, near-identical repeat sing of the "you never reach the sky" lyric. But
the long version on my promo 45 only has three repeats of that line, then
totally fades out Burdon's vocal, and then adds about a :10 second, horn-
bagpipe only music segment, until the very end of the fade. This ending
can be clearly heard at the end, and is unique audio to the promo 45's
long version/Part 2 ending of the stock 45.

Steve, whenever time allows, could you please go back and re-listen to
the ending of your long side "Sky Pilot" promo 45, then quickly compare it
to the ending of the LP version? After doing so, I believe the two different
long version endings will then jump right out at you.

Edited by jimct on 30 August 2014 at 2:59am

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Posted: 13 September 2014 at 8:04am \| IP Logged

The long side of the promo 45 has a different fade than the LP version, as bagpipes are heard playing on the 45 that do not appear during the fade of the LP version.

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