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Todd Ireland
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Abagon reports he has two commercial 45 pressings for Sheriff's "When I'm with You". He has the original 1983 pressing on Capitol B-5199 from when the song only peaked at #61 on the Billboard Hot 100 and the actual run time is 3:54. (The printed record label time is 3:55.) The later 1989 pressing on Capitol B-44302 which sold well enough to propel the song all the way to #1 on Billboard has an actual run time of 3:52. (The printed record label time is 3:54.) I post this info because database CD appearances of this song range from 3:46-3:53.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 04 October 2008 at 11:00am
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Hi
Also noteworthy on this track is the 1989 re-issued version is remixed and has a different vocal track take than the 1983 album version. I have the '83 vinyl album, and the '89 CD album.
I'm curious to know if the '83 45 version was also a different take/mix?
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Yes the '83 45 version was the remix.
However, the mastering on the single was more compressed in '83 and didn't sound as good as the '89 version (even though it was the same actual remix).
Andy
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Wow, this is news to me... I was always under the impression the 1989 release was a straight reissue of the 1983 recording. I could be wrong, but didn't Sheriff simply reissue their self-titled album from 1983 when the song became a smash six years later?
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Hi
The album was a straight re-issue, except the 45 mix was now on the album.
The original '83 album has the alternate lead. Which, by the way, is not as good as the hit version. They really did a great job on that 45 mix, especially all the looping & reverb on the end note, the old LP version does not have that.
I should have time later this week, i'll get a dub off the album and make an mp3. (not likely to see this version hit a commercial cd anytime soon.) Just PM me an email address and i'll send.
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Great info, Mark. Thanks!
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This may be tough, but is there any way to determine which CD's in the database contain the '83 version and which contain the '89 version?
Or, do they all contain the '83?
Or, do they all contain the '89?
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Hi again,
OH that's very EASY.... no cd's contain the '83 album version, as far as i know.
The vocal is different, and the mix is different (missing lots of extra overdubs)...Pat would have caught it as an alternate of some kind.
If i read Andrew correctly in his answer to my Q, the '89 version was on the '83 45, so I would conclude the hit version was created in '83 for the 45 version.
Only the '83 vinyl album has the original non-hit version.
I'll be sending a copy to crapfromthepast in a day or 2.
:-)
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Show and tell time!
If you were a radio station serviced by Capitol in 1982 '83?), you got the 12" promo (same on both sides):
Interesting how it says "Single Version". And if you needed more of a hint that it was different from the '82 album version, there was a sticker on the black cardboard jacket:
If you bought the 45, you didn't know that it wasn't that album version:
The '83 45 came with a sleeve (identical on both sides):
Unless you lived in Canada, the '83 single came and went without leaving much of an impression on most US audiences.
Four years later, some members of Sheriff reformed as Frozen Ghost, and released the fine single "Should I See" on Atlantic in 1987. I played it on the air, but I was probably the only one outside of Canada who did. Two albums later, Frozen Ghost was done.
Two years after "Should I See", the flood of early '80s reissues came out in 1989. (See "What About Me", "Hot In The City", "The Fanatic", a remix of "Valerie", "Where Are You Now", "In Your Eyes", "Red Red Wine", a new recording of "Send Me An Angel", a new recording of "I'll Melt With You", "At This Moment", and I'm sure there are others...)
If you were still at the same radio station serviced by Capitol, you got a brand new promo 12", also in a plain black cardboard sleeve:
And the 45, no sleeve this time:
And we heard Casey Kasem mention a few times that this song had the longest continuously-held note of any top 40 hit in the rock era (26 seconds), beating the old record in Air Supply's "All Out Of Love", which in turn, previously beat Donna Summer's "Dim All The Lights".
Never heard anyone note that the original Capitol LP had a different mix and different vocal take, until this forum! 25 years after the song was released, there's still stuff to be learned!
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Thanks for the outstanding pictorial discography, Ron!
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Great info as always Ron. I remember Frozen Ghost. In fact "Should I See" got decent airplay on MTV at the time. At least decent enough to where I remember it 21 years later! I also recall the two Frozen Ghost members doing at least one interview on MTV.
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Actually, we played Frozen Ghost at what was then K104 here in Erie, PA. Song even made our year end countdown that year.
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my commercial 45 issued as capitol 44302 states a run time on the label as 3:54 but actually only runs 3:50...is it possible that there are 2 copies of the 44302 45 issued.....my run out groove states "23272 q r-21996-g2 b-1-44302 g-2"..this info should be added to the db..
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Topic: "When I’m with You" - Sheriff
