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Todd Ireland
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The actual commercial 45 run time of Main Ingredient's "Everybody Plays the Fool" is 3:21. (Thanks to Jim for providing the run time info as always. The printed record label time is 3:22.) Database CDs containing this song run from 3:15-3:22, so I'm passing this info along for the benefit of anyone seeking the correct 45 length.
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Probably my ears, but are there 2 different
recordings/mixes of this song?
My copy, that runs 3:21, seems like the
bongos/instrumentation is more up front and the
recording is narrower.
Listened to the song from "A Quiet Storm", one of the
many 3:18 listings in the database, and it seems like
perhaps a different vocal take, less instrumentation,
wider recording.
Am I crazy? LOL.
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If "Everybody Plays The Fool" is indicative of the early '70s tracks, I'm going have a lot of work to do...
The oldest CD that has the song is RCA's Nipper's Greatest Hits The '70s (1989), where it runs 3:18. It sounds quite nice here. The same analog transfer is used for:- DCC's Groove On Vol. 2 (1996)
- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Suddenly '70s (1997)
To my ears, it sounds like the same source tape of Nipper is also used for Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 9 (1991), where it runs 3:19 and has a little more hiss on the fade, which is nice. If you crank the fade WAY up, you can hear the tape slow down and stop, which I think is pretty cool. The same analog transfer is used for:- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Sweet '70s Soul (1991, fades a few second early)
- Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 7 1972 (1996; absolute polarity inverted, which is no big deal)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 11 After Dark (1997; digitally exactly 1.5 dB quieter)
Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 11 1972 (1991) uses the same analog transfer as Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 9, but swaps the left and right channels and fades a few seconds early. Avoid. Plus, avoid these digital clones of Superhits:- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 7 1972 (1991; digitally identical)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 3 Miracles (2005; digitally exactly 0.4 dB louder)
Finally, Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 13 1972 Take Two (1991) is missing the opening note, has a narrower soundstage, and has a fade that starts and ends later than on Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 9. It runs 3:21 here, extending a few seconds beyond the length of Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 9. I can't tell if this is just a really high-generation source tape, or a different mix that just sounds bad. To my ears, the extra seconds at the end aren't worth the cruddy sound. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on RCA's Keep On Dancing (1991). The version on JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994) uses the same source tape, but somehow has the opening note intact, and has an additional azimuth error (warble when mono'd), plus more hiss on the fade. Avoid all three of these.
My recommendation:
Go for Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 9 (1991).
If it's too pricey, go for Time-Life's Body Talk Vol. 11 After Dark (1997), whicah is a fine digital clone of the Rhino disc.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 23 October 2015 at 6:38am
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eriejwg wrote:
Probably my ears, but are there 2
different
recordings/mixes of this song?
My copy, that runs 3:21, seems like the
bongos/instrumentation is more up front and the
recording is narrower.
Listened to the song from "A Quiet Storm", one of the
many 3:18 listings in the database, and it seems like
perhaps a different vocal take, less instrumentation,
wider recording.
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No, you're not crazy. My 45 is the same as yours, and
doesn't quite sound as good as most CD versions.
The 45 version on CD can be found on "All Time Greatest
Hits".
The 45 is the longest version running 3:21. The better
sounding versions, the ones that sound more like there
are bells mixed in with the flute, is shorter.
Personally, I prefer the 45 version, however sonically
flawed it may be.
Edited by The Hits Man on 23 October 2015 at 11:26pm
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Database indicates the shorter version is an alternate take, but
recent info has it as a remix. I think remix. If alternate, what is
different?
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Well I do not detect any vocal differences but I sure hear instrumentation differences which could qualify as a remix but either way those cd's currently flagged as alternate take are neither the 45 nor LP versions. If enough votes come in to change the designation I will do so.
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Glad I stumbled upon the difference between the 2
considering the amount of CD's that have the alternate or
remix depending on your preference.
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So this is weird. I download from Freegal Music (my local public library is part of their network) the version from Everybody
Plays The Fool: The Very Best Of, and can immediately tell that there's a difference from the opening notes from the alternate
take (and I'm terrible at noticing these things--so that's a measure of how obvious it is). But then I continue listening and I
hear a blemish at around the (:41) mark (on the word "sometimes"). The blemish also sounds like it's there on the alternate take,
but mixed way softer.
Am I the only one noticing this (and if not, is it also on actual CD copies of the correct take)?
EDIT: Through a YT playing of the 45, it appears said blemish was on the original 45 as well. So there you go.
Edited by sriv94 on 30 November 2018 at 7:16am
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It's a tape glitch on the 45 single master tape. Been
there since the single was new.
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I finally got to hear the original 45 mix, after hearing only the alternate mix on CD after so many years. Wow, what a difference! I'm surprised this alt mix showed up on Rhino's "Soul Hits of the '90s" so early on. I'm guessing Bill Inglot was involved with that series, and he's usually great at finding the right mixes. (Did this alt mix ever show up on vinyl?) But someone pointed out this mix showed up earlier on Nipper's Greatest Hits of the '70s. So maybe Bill just took it from there without comparing.
That said, I'm so used to the alt mix that there are really many things I enjoy about it - like the bells mixed in with the flute, the hi-hats on the chorus, the louder strings being brought out more starting in the 2nd pre-chorus, etc. But on the original mix, I really like the bongos and the louder bass guitar.
I wish I could have the best of both worlds and someone could take the alt mix and make the bongos and bass louder, lol. (It's probably something Mixfixer could almost do ... but I'm afraid it would phlange!)
BTW, to compare the two, one of the mixes has the channels reversed and it should be swapped. I'm sure it's the alternate mix.
Well, whoever was the first to put the alternate mix on CD ... I guess everybody plays the fool sometimes. There's no exception to the rule!
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