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Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:11pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I just checked my copy of First Generation (Virgin Records compilation), and "Return To Innocence" has a synth note overlapping the opening vocal chant. This synth note is not present on the 4:03 "Radio Edit," which I presume to be the 45 version.

I don't own a copy of the full-length album to compare. Is the overlapping intro/outro the only difference between the "Radio Edit" and LP version?
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 8:55am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
By the way, the reason I posted this information is that the database makes no mention of the overlapping synth note on the First Generation CD. The database also says that DJ copies run (4:07) and not (4:03) as stated on the label. What's interesting is that my TM Century GoldDisc does actually run (4:03), and I would presume they took the song directly from a promo or commercial CD single. Does the commercial CD perhaps run 4:03? How about the cassette single?
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:29am | IP Logged Quote jimct
Aaron, in case it might help, here is my 1994 promo CD single information, although it does not feature an actual (4:03) version:

Enigma-"Return To Innocence" (DPRO-14123)
1-Radio Edit (listed 4:03; actual 4:07, no opening synth note)
2-Short Radio Edit (listed 3:01; actual 3:02, no opening synth note)
3-380 Midnight Mix (listed 5:55; actual 5:53)
4-Long & Alive Version (listed 7:07; actual 7:05)

FYI, we played track 1 on-air as a current.
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Posted: 27 August 2009 at 7:31am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
There's one other thing I wanted to bring up about the song on First Generation. I noticed there are faint sound effects of crashing waves over the intro. They can be heard all the way until the drums kick in. I would presume this was taken directly from the full-length album, so it's possible these sound effects carry over from the previous track. If they are not part of the previous track, we might actually have a 45/LP difference, because there are no sound effects on the Radio Edit.
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Posted: 17 September 2009 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
Bumping this back up, since the database has not yet been modified. As far as I can tell, an LP/45 distinction is needed, because the LP version has sound effects over the intro that are not on the single.

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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 4:43pm | IP Logged Quote chendagam
I'm pretty sure the radio edit is the same mix as the LP version. From memory it segues/mixes in from the previous track which is "I Love You...I'll Kill You" I believe. Enigma was famous for having radio edits that are edited from the album so it stands alone as a single version. This is what initially attracted me to the group. "Sadeness Part I" is another example. The second single "Mea Culpa Part II" did the same thing.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:09pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
Thanks for chiming in, John. If anyone is an Enigma expert on this board, it's you. Just to be sure, though, can you pull out your full-length album to listen for the crashing waves sound effects I'm talking about? They are definitely not present on the single.

At the very least, some sort of notation is needed for the First Generation compilation, since it sounds like they took this from the album rather than the single.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:57pm | IP Logged Quote chendagam
Yeah it's the end of "The Eyes of Truth." "I love u..." comes after. The note you hear is from the previous track. The radio edit is the same length just separated from the album.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:16pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
The crashing waves sound effects are from the prevous track, too? If so, that's quite a long segue, lasting for more than 20 seconds.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:54pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
Thanks to John G., I was just able to hear how the songs on the album segue together. John, would you consider the waves to be part of the previous track or part of "Return To Innocence"? There is about 20 seconds of wave sound effects on the end of the preceding track and about 20 seconds on the intro of "Return." Is this enough to warrant a "version" designation?
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 7:04pm | IP Logged Quote chendagam
In my opinion I feel as though the 20 second segue is part of "Return to Innocence." But Virgin Records did index the track to start at the chant just like it does on the radio edit. If I had to author the disc myself what I personally would do is use the 20 seconds as a "space" or filler by having it switch to the new track and begin a countdown until the chant. If the user jumps to "Return to Innocence" it would start at the chant but if they are listening to the album the track would switch at the beginning of the sound effects. Make sense? This was done on Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet" with the phone call in sound effects.   
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 8:37pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
So, if I am understanding you correctly, we have an LP/45 distinction, since the sound effects are not present on the single version.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 8:41pm | IP Logged Quote chendagam
Yes the radio edit is definitely the single version. I do not believe a 45 was issued for this but could be wrong. I'm sure they probably issued a jukebox 45. There were 45's for Sadeness and Mea Culpa back in 1990 and 91. They could have lifted your version in question from "LSI The Greatest Hits." That compilation was known for using various sound effect segues previously not used. I'll check.
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Posted: 21 September 2009 at 9:40pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
John, thanks for allowing me to hear the Greatest Hits segue, too. It sounds like they used the original album on this one, too, although in this case, there are actually three songs overlapping---the two from the original album and the preceding track on Greatest Hits.
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Posted: 22 September 2009 at 4:30pm | IP Logged Quote chendagam
Yeah the GH album is actually pretty neat how they added extra "segues" with previously unreleased "Enigmatic" synths.
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Posted: 31 December 2011 at 9:58pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
I have the commercial maxi-CD single for Enigma's "Return to Innocence" and it contains the following track listing and actual run times:

1) Radio Edit - 4:07, not 4:03 as printed on the label (there is no opening synthesizer note)
2) Long & Alive Version - 7:04, not 7:07 as printed on the label
3) 380 Midnight Mix - 5:52, not 5:55 as printed on the label
4) Short Radio Edit - 3:01 (same as printed time) (there is no opening synthesizer note)

Track 5 contains Enigma's first Top 40 hit "Sadeness Part I". It's the "radio edit" (a.k.a. the single version) which runs 4:14.

Essentially, the maxi-CD single contains the same content as the promo CD single except for the tracks being in a different order. The versions of "Return to Innocence" I've always heard played on the radio are the single version and the "Short Radio Edit". The "Long & Alive Version" and the "380 Midnight Mix" are very different versions and therefore likely got little airplay, if any.

One more thing... The database does not currently show that "Return to Innocence" appears on the various artists CD Pure Moods (Virgin 42186) in its single version form with a run time of 4:06.

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Posted: 02 January 2012 at 4:24pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Here's the latest from the news wire... Cassette single copies of Enigma's "Return to Innocence" feature the "Radio Edit" and have an actual run time of 4:07, not 4:03 as stated on the cardboard sleeve. (Thanks once again to good ole Ed for sharing this info.)
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