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Posted: 29 January 2010 at 10:13pm \| IP Logged

my commercial 45 issed as mercury 73622 states the run time as 3:29 but actually runs 3:31 and is a quick fade of the full length version....thanks john for the fade and pitch correction...

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Posted: 11 March 2012 at 4:06pm \| IP Logged

Ed indicates that the pitch needed to be corrected on is re-created 45 version. I noticed that some CDs have faster speeds than others. Is this a mastering error or was there a speed difference between the 45 and LP?

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Posted: 11 March 2012 at 5:59pm \| IP Logged

The single version is on Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "best
Of" CD. It matches my commercial 45.

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Posted: 29 April 2013 at 6:29pm \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

I too have suspected that the 45 speed of Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" is slightly faster than the LP speed. Can anyone who has a vinyl copy of both confirm for certain?

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I don't have the song on vinyl at all, so the best I can do is compare CDs.

LP length (3:53, plus or minus a second)

I have five different analog transfers of the LP length.

I prefer the version on Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975 (1993). The same analog transfer is used on Warner Special Products' 2-CD Rock Box (1994).

JCI's Rockin' Seventies (1988) is a close second, and sounds just about as good as GR.

Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 11 Heavy Hitters (1991) is mastered too loud and clips a lot, and may have some additional noise reduction or some other odd processing. It just sounds weird on this disc.

JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994) sounds good, but fades a second or two before the others. The same analog transfer is used on:

Simitar's Number Ones Rock It Up (1998)
Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s Vol. 2 (2002) - differently-EQ'd digital clone that adds a tiny amount of compression

Warner Special Products' 1970s Classic Rock (1999) sounds muffled compared to the others. May be a higher generation source tape?

I didn't explicitly compare the speeds of any of the above; I just chose to use Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975 (1993) in my library and left it at that. GR fades from 3:33 to 3:53.

45 length (3:31)

The version on BTO's Greatest (1986) runs about 0.9% faster than Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975, runs 3:36, and fades from 3:15 to 3:36. This disc sounds quite nice, and is about as good as it's going to get for the 45 length. I don't know how well it corresponds to the actual 45 fade points, though. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's 2-CD Guitar Rock (1990)
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 15 1974 Take Two (1991) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
Warner Special Products' 2-CD Rock This Way (1995)
Cema's 2-CD Bell Bottom Rock (1996) - mastered too loud and clips a lot
Razor & Tie's 6-CD 70 Number One Hits Of The 70s Vol. 6 (1998) - differently-EQ'd digital clone but mastered too loud and clips a lot

Others:

Silver Eagle/Capitol's 2-CD Rockin' Down The Block (1987) sounds pretty good, but not quite as good as the above.

Rhino's Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999) runs about 0.8% slower than Guitar Rock Vol. 1 1974-1975, runs 3:26, fades from 3:11 to 3:26, and has a pretty severely boosted high end. Not good.

I chose to use BTO's Greatest (1986) in my library.

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Posted: 28 February 2017 at 10:56am \| IP Logged

There's a copy of the 45, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdZKd8a1YQ

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Posted: 28 February 2017 at 11:08am \| IP Logged

I just recreated the 45 version again, using BTO's
Greatest. I slowed it down by 1% and faded to 3:31
with the 45 in the video as a guide.

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Posted: 03 March 2017 at 4:13pm \| IP Logged

Maybe it's just my ears, but on the CDs that I own that feature "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" or "Takin' Care of Business", the songs
seem to be lacking "something" and I can't put my finger on it.. these songs might be a victim of heavy noise reduction in the digital
age.. recently I dubbed them from vinyl and thought OK THAT'S how I remember them sounding.. Is it just me?

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I recreated the short promo edit of "Takin' Care Of
Business" several years ago. When I was dubbing my promo
45, it seemed like the 45 jumped out at me. I tried to
give the digital file a bit of a compression boost to
semi-simulate the promo 45.

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Posted: 04 March 2017 at 5:40am \| IP Logged

To Bill & John:

Part of the reason those records had that special "something" can be attributed to the vinyl mastering engineers of the time. Many of them really brought the best out of the tape that they were handed to work with.

For example, Gilbert Kong mastered a lot of Mercury LPs in that era - They were all excellent sounding, even if he wasn't given the first-generation master to work with.

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Posted: 22 December 2019 at 4:25pm \| IP Logged

Just bumping this up.

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Posted: 22 December 2019 at 4:36pm \| IP Logged

Thanks Ron..

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Posted: 27 November 2022 at 5:12am \| IP Logged

At least one US pressing runs shorter than that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpcSjBz5qI

It ends on "I been everywhere," then there's a couple beats after that, "buh buh..."

Edited by Brian W. on 27 November 2022 at 5:19am

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Posted: 27 November 2022 at 11:48am \| IP Logged

The 45 in the video runs 3:31 just like the actual time of
Ed's 45. Does this mean the video that Brian linked to is
how the actual 45 sounds?

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Posted: 27 November 2022 at 4:33pm \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

The 45 in the video runs 3:31 just like the actual time of Ed's 45. Does this mean the video that Brian linked to is how the actual 45 sounds?

There are two 45 videos linked in this thread. I don't know what the run times are, but they each end at different points in the song. There seem to be different pressings of the 45 with different fade points.

Edited by Brian W. on 27 November 2022 at 4:34pm

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Posted: 27 November 2022 at 5:40pm \| IP Logged

I had forgotten that I linked to the other video in 2017.
That's the length I have in my library. Not sure if the
second 45 was an earlier or later pressing.

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Posted: 28 November 2022 at 2:19am \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

I had forgotten that I linked to the other
video in 2017. That's the length I have in my library. Not
sure if the second 45 was an earlier or later pressing.

Could be one done at the same time at a different record
plant.

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Posted: 28 November 2022 at 10:55pm \| IP Logged

My promo and stock Mercury 45s are both Columbia Terre Haute pressings, with the same deadwax on each. Mastering is by Capitol's Wally Traugott ("Wly"), although there's no "MASTERED BY CAPITOL" stamped in the deadwax.

3:29 listed and 3:29.35 actual time. Fade ends very abruptly.

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Posted: 29 November 2022 at 8:20am \| IP Logged

John,

Does your promo or stock 45 match this video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpcSjBz5qI

Or, this video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdZKd8a1YQ

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