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anyone know which cd contains the 45 version of the above song........the 45 starts with clapping and audience noise for 0:02 and then the guitars start.........the cdr i have starts right with the guitars and no audience noise before.............
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None of the cd's that are listed in the database have the :02 audience noise that you find on the 45. What is interesting is that the :02 you refer to on the 45 is not the same audience noise that you find on the vinyl LP "Live From PJ's".
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My commercial 45, confirmed as Reprise 20198 with deadwax info of "45 R-20,198-A (1952)", followed by a "2" with a circle around it. It has no listed time, but an actual time of (2:56). As for Ed's frustration for not finding this exact 45 version on CD, as well as Pat's point about the "Live From PJ's" alleged parent LP including different audience noise for the track, I strongly suspect some major studio hijinks by the Reprise mastering folks for the mono 45 version of this song, back in early 1963. Don't forget, Frank Sinatra's "new" Reprise label was now well over two years old by 1963, and although they were selling albums, incredibly, the label was still looking for their first non-novelty Top 10 hit single (which was early '63's "Pepino The Italian Mouse"), and the pressure was no doubt weighing on all involved big-time, at this point in time. (This song would finally break the streak.) Reprise must've just cutted and pasted in whatever they thought were the most superior-sounding "before and after" crowd reactions, hoping to add to this 45's hit single potential (similar to the 1964/65 Johnny Rivers' Whisky-A-Go-Go recordings after-the-fact modifications done by Imperial.) Can anyone say "find the cleanest 1963 Reprise commercial/promo 45 you can?"
Edited by jimct on 15 September 2010 at 9:32pm
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jimct wrote:
| I strongly suspect some major studio hijinks by the Reprise mastering folks for the mono 45 version of this song, back in early 1963. |
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Careful there, Jim! Though he, himself is gone, Frank may still have some old mastering cronies hanging around who could have you um, "relocated" to the bottom of the East River for such brazen allegations of nefarious diskery shenanigans. ;)
For all we know, Trini might have been booed mercilessly as he took to the stage. Anybody have an appropriate clip we could paste in? :)
I wore my original 45 out before 1963 had even ended, but my identical replacement copy matches Jim's deadwax description, except for an added Monarch Records logo just before the "45 R..." and an added delta number 48436. Its actual time is (2:57).
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Yah Shure wrote:
| Careful there, Jim! Though he, himself is gone, Frank may still have some old mastering cronies hanging around who could have you um, "relocated" to the bottom of the East River for such brazen allegations of nefarious diskery shenanigans. ;) |
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John, if I suddenly go missing, call the cops and please change/memorialize my Downey Board moniker to "jimcthoffa". :) As for a (2:57) instead of a (2:56) actual run time, I will concur - I had a loud pop/click right at the very, very end of my 45, and part of me did think I may have heard a little faint audio still there.
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Now that's rather interesting.... my copy doesnt have a ) after 1952 [it just says (1952] but otherwise matches Yah Sure's deadwax info, and it times out at 2:59 while using a direct drive turntable playing at the exact proper speed (i have a suspicion that timing differences above might come from groove noise or perhaps a belt driven turntable that isnt 100% exact, as the 45 does play faster on my belt driven Numark). I had to really boost the volume REALLY loud at the end of the fade out to find the exact ending point.
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Tom, I personally believe it is not good policy for anyone to declare that their turntable speed is the "holy grail", and that others' submitted timings are less so. You have no idea what kind of equipment that John or I own, and to assume that we may be using belt drive TT's (at least in my case) is totally inaccurate. Also, the slightly deadwax differences can mean a different 45 pressing run, which can often account for minor run time differences.
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Jim, no harm meant, buddy. Take it easy.
Simply was suggesting that if I in fact have the same pressing (as it seems very likely) that one or both of you should re-time your 45s and boost the volume towards the end as you do that.
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Any 45 that reaches number three on the Hot 100 is going to have multiple pressings, so slight variations should come as no big surprise. That's just the way it is.
Short of this turning into a Hoffman board-like equipment profile listing for those of us who post our individual findings here, I'll simply state that any of the actual timings which I post are derived from the use of a Technics SL-1200MK2 direct drive turntable with pitch control set to zero, although that's still no guarantee of its speed being absolutely 100 percent accurate. I, too, maximize endings to determine the exact end points whenever possible (and - in the case of "If I Had A Hammer" - the beginning point of the fade-in as well.) I ripped my 45 at the request of another board member, and can confirm that it timed out to (2:57).
Perhaps the single most important thing I've learned from participating in this discussion board with regard to vinyl pressings can be summed up in four words: Your Mileage May Vary. Different electric currents, different equipment, different pressings, different editing software... it's this very diversity that makes our community all the more fascinating.
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