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I tried doing a custom edit of this some years ago, and I think I came VERY close. But it was difficult to reproduce the tail end of the guitar solo edit - into the final chorus (which ends up being at 2:15 on my edit, matching the 45).
Was this a layered or remixed edit, or was it a straight splice? I think that the LP version can be used as a source, but it seems to need to have the drum roll mixed over the guitar tail out, no? It's what I ended up doing.
Does anyone know the edit instructions of that particular edit point? I know all of the rest of them.
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I wasn't able to edit the LP version because of that same edit you mention. I tried to overlap two sections, but I think they they might have used an acapella "all aboard" to overlap the guitar ending rather than mixing two parts of the song together.
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aaronk wrote:
| I wasn't able to edit the LP version because of that same edit you mention. I tried to overlap two sections, but I think they they might have used an acapella "all aboard" to overlap the guitar ending rather than mixing two parts of the song together. |
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Same here. I tried to find another appearance of the "all aboard" vocal from elsewhere in the song that could be used for that segue, but alas, those few seconds appear to be unique to the 45 version.
Strange that they went to the trouble, because the edit still sounds abrupt with the tail end of the guitar solo still audible when it cuts in on the second syllable of "aboard".
To this day I wonder why the song didn't chart higher. I thought it was quite catch; however, the 45 edit could have done a better job in shortening the song without chopping out so much.
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The few times I heard this on the air back then, it was the LP version. Can't remember who in New York City played it, though.
There were a handful of 45s around 1981-1982 that did a great disservice to the songs (my opinion, of course) by cutting up otherwise imaginative breaks and solos. The 45 of "On The Loose" by Saga springs to mind, which cuts the solo in half and eliminates the excellent and very memorable keyboard-doubling-with-the-guitar part. "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova used a completely different guitar solo for the 45, with half the length of the LP version solo. Both the Saga and Aldo Nova tracks would have been under 4 minutes if they had stuck with the album version (cutting off the helicopter intro for "Fantasy"). I doubt that the shortening helped the tracks get any more airplay than they would have gotten otherwise.
I know 5+ minutes for the Diesel song may be too long for a single, but I think they could have come closer to 4 minutes while leaving the break intact. Just a minor gripe.
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Another gripe. All CD copies I've heard of this song have excessive noise/hiss reduction applied. I ended up dubbing my copy from the vinyl LP.
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Really? I have the One Way release of Watts In A Tank from 2002 - I'll have to listen more closely tonight to see if there's NR on there.
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Roscoe wrote:
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Same here! I ran out and bought it the minute I heard it on the radio. Regency Records had just switched distribution at the time the single came out; a Billboard magazine article at the time indicated that the single didn't happen at all until Atlantic took over distribution from MCA. If that was the case, I'm surprised that any significant number of the copies pressed by MCA - including the one I bought - made it into the pipeline after the record had really taken off.
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FYI - Some label scans.
The single as originally released on Regency 96001: A-side / B-side
The more common pressing on Regency 7339: A-side / B-side
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crapfromthepast wrote:
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The LP and 45 is very hissy, especially for a song released in 1981. Perhaps the disc you have keeps the hiss in tact, but I've heard it from two different CD sources, and they both have lots of NR.
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Yup. The One Way release has NR. :(
I do remember the vinyl being hissy, and always thought it added to the charm of the song somehow.
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I wouldn't mind if the hiss were reduced, but the NR artifacts on the CD
versions are less than desirable. I'd rather have all the hiss than the "watery"
sound that the CD versions have in some spots.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The few times I heard this on the air back then, it was the LP version. Can't remember who in New York City played it, though.
There were a handful of 45s around 1981-1982 that did a great disservice to the songs (my opinion, of course) by cutting up otherwise imaginative breaks and solos. The 45 of "On The Loose" by Saga springs to mind, which cuts the solo in half and eliminates the excellent and very memorable keyboard-doubling-with-the-guitar part. "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova used a completely different guitar solo for the 45, with half the length of the LP version solo. Both the Saga and Aldo Nova tracks would have been under 4 minutes if they had stuck with the album version (cutting off the helicopter intro for "Fantasy"). I doubt that the shortening helped the tracks get any more airplay than they would have gotten otherwise.
I know 5+ minutes for the Diesel song may be too long for a single, but I think they could have come closer to 4 minutes while leaving the break intact. Just a minor gripe. |
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Interestingly, I found an MP3 back in the days of KaZaA (circa 2001) that was basically the same edit as the 45-rpm disc, except they left 4 measures of the second part of the guitar solo (which is omitted on the 45-rpm disc). It may have made a better 45 than the actual edit.
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FYI - Some label scans.
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Wow! In Canada, both the LP and 45 discs were on RCA.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
| The 45 of "On The Loose" by Saga springs to mind, which cuts the solo in half and eliminates the excellent and very memorable keyboard-doubling-with-the-guitar part. "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova used a completely different guitar solo for the 45, with half the length of the LP version solo. Both the Saga and Aldo Nova tracks would have been under 4 minutes if they had stuck with the album version (cutting off the helicopter intro for "Fantasy"). I doubt that the shortening helped the tracks get any more airplay than they would have gotten otherwise. |
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You strike me as a big fan of Canadian music, no? We rarely hear those edits any more, and again, those songs are played on Classic Rock for the most part now.
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Yup - BIG fan of Canadian pop/rock. Good call!
Saga, Jane Child, Chilliwack, Prism, Barenaked Ladies, the Kings, Gino Vannelli, Cheri, Terrence and Phillip, Frozen Ghost, Iam Thomas, Kim Mitchell, Honeymoon Suite, the Extras, Kon Kan, Klaatu, Terry Jacks, Ray Conniff...
Don't know what it is about the pop stuff from up north, but it really hits the sweet spot for me.
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Terrence and Phillip? I didn't realize there was a band by that name. I only know of the obscene cartoon characters on South Park.
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It's really just the South Park characters, but Atlantic released a CD single for "Uncle F**ka":
Terrance and Phillip (note correct spelling here and my misspelling above) - Uncle F**ka (that's how it's spelled)
Atlantic PRCD 9051, released 1999
1. WEBN/Jay Gilbert "Bleeped Sound Effect" Version - printed 1:01
2. WXRK/NY Version/Cane & Altar Boy - printed 1:04
And yes, I played this on the air quite a bit!
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Roscoe wrote:
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I don't think airplay coverage was as good as it could have been. I don't recall ever hearing this song on the radio in 1981. I never heard it until it popped up on '80s CDs in the late '90s.
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RichM921 wrote:
I don't think airplay coverage was as good as it could
have been. I don't recall ever hearing this song on the radio in 1981. I
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I was also surprised when I learned about the low peak position of "Sausalito
Summernight." My dad bought this 45 for me when I was only 3 years old,
and I played it to death. I wonder how he knew about it. Another 45 he
bought for me around the same time was "Breaking Away" by Balance. Both
of those 45s have always been favorites of mine.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
It's really just the South Park characters, but
Atlantic released a CD single for "Uncle F**ka":
Terrance and Phillip (note correct spelling here and my misspelling above)
- Uncle F**ka (that's how it's spelled)
Atlantic PRCD 9051, released 1999
1. WEBN/Jay Gilbert "Bleeped Sound Effect" Version - printed 1:01
2. WXRK/NY Version/Cane & Altar Boy - printed 1:04
And yes, I played this on the air quite a bit! |
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That's funny. I used to know most of the words to that song, and I
remember the promo single coming in to the station where I used to
work. I honestly didn't think you were putting these guys in the same list
as some of those other much more noteworthy Canadian bands. And
technically speaking, they are Americans (voiced by the creators of South
Park) portrayed as a Canadians.
Edited by aaronk on 02 October 2010 at 11:49pm
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