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RichM921
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On this past weekend's AT40 '80s rebroadcast from this week in 1981,
Casey Kasem played the single version of "Fool In Love With You"
and I noticed for the first time that the vocal actually seems to be
slightly different than the album version. In another thread we
discussed how to edit the album version to get the single, but I think
they may be two different vocal takes.
If anyone else has the single and the LP version, I'd love to get a
second opinion. And before anyone asks, I am not talking about the
re-recording he did of this song years later.
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I don't have the LP version to compare, but I did transfer a copy of the 45, which is what I use as my source. Does anyone have the vinyl LP that they would be able to compare the 45 to?
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Yes, I have both and have compared them. All the performances differ obviously.
Aaron, I sent you an MP3 file of the LP via e-mail. Check again, please.
The commercial 45 - actual 3:28 - listed 3:30 20th Century TC-2487
The LP - title "Fool In Love With You" - actual 3:37 - listed 3:40 20th Century T-621
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Thanks to abagon, I was able to compare his LP copy with the 45, and there are obvious differences. Other than the cymbal taps, there is an additional edit on the intro. The vocal on the LP comes in at :34, whereas it comes in at :24 on the 45. The 45 also runs slower than the LP's speed.
They are certainly different mixes; however, I haven't been able to detect any differences in the vocal take.
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Another homemade edit by TM Century on their GD3.
They use a :34 intro with a starting fade at 3:24 ending at 3:30.
My ears detect vinyl rumble, and it may be slightly pitched. I should start a list of songs they've 'made us to believe' are the real hit versions.
Could you send me the official 45 version to compare?
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David, it's probably a case where they did a vinyl dub (not a homemade edit). Even lots of their GD3s contain vinyl dubs if it was the only source they had for a particular song. I can name tons of TM tracks off the top of my head, though, that are incorrect homemade edits.
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Thank you for the detail, aaron!
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Yes, vinyl dub! Thank you for the wav, it's a completely different mix than the one on GoldDisc 437. Mystery solved!
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I've revisited this song recently and my findings affect
some of the above info so here
goes:
There were TWO different recordings of this and THREE
versions of it back in 1981.
My copy of the LP contained this version, which is also
the 1st pressing LP version:
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k44TM
EDIT: WRONG! See updated info below.
I bought the first pressing LP version and for 40 years
I thought that was the hit
version. Wrong.
After that LP was released, I assume quickly, he went
back into the studio and
completely re-recorded the song. That 2nd pressing LP
version can be heard here:
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yK5SCw
You'll hear the whole new backing track and whole new
vocal performance. Then there's
the 45 mix. The 45 was a remix of version 2 above. They
mixed it differently, changed
some effects, and changed the single-drum-beat intro to
3 cymbal taps instead. They also
edited the music intro :10 shorter (as Aaron notes
above).
Sadly the 45 does not appear on Youtube so I have no
link to that.
So the folks who were hearing a different vocal take
between their LP and the 45 no
doubt have the 1st pressing LP version. The folks who
did not hear a different vocal
have the 2nd pressing LP version.
So to conclude we have:
1) Version 1 - 1st LP version, has drum-roll intro.
2) Version 2 - 2nd pressing LP version, new recording,
single-drum hit intro.
3) Version 3 - 45 version, a remix and edit of version
2, has 3 cymbal tap intro.
And the only one of these versions to ever make it to CD
is Version 2 - the 2nd pressing
LP version. It was on CD in Japan. I don't know how long
ago.
EDIT UPDATE: gathering info from Andy and Ron I
now
believe the first link I posted above is NOT the 1st
pressing LP version. as mentioned below, it a 1993
remake. So that leaves only TWO versions from 1981: the
LP version and the 45 version. Sorry about that!
Edited by MMathews on 17 March 2021 at 9:26pm
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Hi Mark:
Could you kindly recheck to see if your LP is an
original 20th Century Fox Records pressing?
The reason I ask is the 'Version 1' YouTube version
you linked is the same as my Japan CD 'Passage'
version which Jim Photoglo re-recorded in Nashville
with a publishing date of 1993. Totally different
musician and production credits were on this CD and
Jim's vocal register was lower because he was older.
I would love to hear a needledrop of your version, if
indeed it is circa 1981.
Great song!!
Andy
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This sounds like a prime candidate for yet another issue of "Radio Daze" Pop Hits Of The 80s Vol. 6. or, maybe another issue of Yacht Rock. I have been bumping into a number of these
tracks while browsing the threads around here. 1979 - 1981 truly was a transition period for pop. Re-watched Xanadu for the first time since that hot date back then too.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
Hi Mark:
Could you kindly recheck to see if your LP is an
original 20th Century Fox Records pressing?
The reason I ask is the 'Version 1' YouTube version
you linked is the same as my Japan CD 'Passage'
version which Jim Photoglo re-recorded in Nashville
with a publishing date of 1993. Totally different
musician and production credits were on this CD and
Jim's vocal register was lower because he was older.
I would love to hear a needledrop of your version, if
indeed it is circa 1981.
Great song!!
Andy
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Andy, check your inbox. I sent you an mp3 of a dub I
did years ago from MY 20th Century LP. I did see this
version posted on Youtube showing the "Passage" CD. I
noted it was really the first version from 1981. I don't
know how or why it ended up on that 1993 Japanese CD.
Check out other posts on YT. I'm not the only one who
had the first pressing, there are others. But the 2nd
pressing appears to be a bit more common. The 2nd
pressing version is also what was re-issued in Japan.
MM
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Ok, Andy and Ron looked into this further and I believe
my memory did not serve me well on this one. The version
I called the 1st pressing LP version I now believe is
from the 1993 Japan CD "Passage"
Two things messed me up here:
1) It's a total mystery to me how the 1993 remake got in
my library where my LP disc dub should have been.
2) Multiple posts on YT seemed to support my info
because they all picture the original LP but have the
1993 remake as audio.
And as Andy pointed out, not ONE of those YT posts has
any evidence of vinyl. So I was like yeah...that would
be impossible.
Anyway, sorry for the false alarm - there are in fact
only TWO 1981 versions. The LP mix and the 45 mix.
MM
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Interesting history.
And a weird thing. Just as I finished reading the latest posts on this thread, a Jim Photoglo song started playing on my iPhone, a song from his 20th Century LPs (CDs) called "20th Century Fool".
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