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I need a little help sorting through the versions for this one.
The US 45 version runs about 3:46 and starts with Valerie's a cappella vocals.
The US 45 version sounds great on Rhino's Billboard Hot R&B Hits 1984 (1996), with digital clones on Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 26 Mid-'80s (2000; differently-EQ'd) and Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul '80s Rhythm And Grooves (2001; digitally exactly 0.1 dB quieter). It also sounds very good on Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990).
The LP version runs about 5:09 and also starts with Valerie's a cappella vocals.
The LP version sounds fine on the single-artist Capitol Gold The Best Of (1993). (A little compressed, but not life-threatening.) The same analog transfer is used on Cema's 2-CD Cool Rock (1995; differently-EQ'd digital clone), Madacy's Rock On 1984 (1996; digitally exactly 1 dB quieter), and Disky's European 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '80s Disc 3 (1998).
I encountered a shorter edit, running about 3:21, which sounds like it just cuts off the intro. To me ears, it feels like it starts mid-song, which is a little unsettling. Wikipedia calls this a "radio edit", but I don't have the promo 45 to confirm this.
The 3:21 edit shows up on a bunch of European compilations, including EMI/Virgin/Polygram's 2-CD Now 1985 (1993; sounds great and doesn't fade early), EMI's Time to Remember 1985 (1997), Skifan Iceland's 2-CD Pottþétt 80's (1999) and Disky's 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '80s Disc 7 (2001; white cover art).
I poked around on the web and found that the UK 45 has two configurations, both Capitol CL 345, both copyright 1984 - a purple label with the 3:21 time, and a silver label with the 3:46 time. I'd thought that this song was released twice, once in 1984 (3:46 version, not a hit) and again in 1985 (3:21 version, was the hit version over there). Can anyone confirm?
Can anyone also confirm if the 3:21 version ever came out in the US? Promo 45, perhaps?
And finally, there's the 12" version, which starts with instrumentation, not with Valerie's vocals. I'm 99% sure that the New York City radio stations played a homemade edit of this 12" version on-air, because the intro sounds right to me. Anyone else remember?
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I don't know if this helps at all, but on his "Grand 12 Inches Volume 5" collection, long time DJ/remixer Ben Lebrand included his special rework of the 12" version, which includes the acapella intro. I'm not sure if this mix was created way back in the day or if he made it special for this CD release, which he sometimes does. But, if you're looking for the 12" version WITH the acapella intro, that's the one place I know you can get it that way.
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I have Capitol white label promo 45 P-B-5397 (dead wax S-45-B-5397-99525-A Z1). Both sides are Stereo and have an actual time of 3:43 (3:46 listed). It has a cold intro with Valerie's acapella voice and ends with "Solid, solid, solid"
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Smokin' TomGary wrote:
I have Capitol white label promo
45 P-B-5397 (dead wax S-45-B-5397-99525-A Z1). Both sides
are Stereo and have an actual time of 3:43 (3:46 listed).
It has a cold intro with Valerie's acapella voice and ends
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Thanks, Tom! That's the same as the commercial 45.
So it sounds like the weird 3:21 edit was a UK-only release
(or at least a non-US release). Good to know.
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I remember WHTT in Boston playing a version with a slightly longer ending...it went "solid, solid, solid (pause) solid as a rock!"
How did the album version end?
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The 5:09 album version ends with the "solid solid solid",
pause, "as a rock".
The 3:46 45 version and the 3:21 UK 45 version both end
with just the "solid solid solid". No "as a rock", at
least not on the versions I have on CD. (I don't have the
vinyl for this song.)
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There is no "as a rock" at the end of the commercial 45. I have a copy of that one.
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Bringing this one back up after 10 years. I lived in the
NY area back in the 80's and Ron G. is correct. WPLJ and
Z-100 played a version that did not have the acapella
intro. As a matter of fact I have heard several radio
airchecks on youtube (most of the major market players)
from the mid 80's that do not use the acapella intro which
makes me wonder if there was an official edit sent out
after stations balked at the original intro.
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That’s a shame. I really like the acapella intro!
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Could they have been playing the "Special Club Mix" off the 12"? It has an instrumental intro and is pretty radio friendly even though it's six minutes.
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my commercial 45 also only runs 3:43 with a stated run time
of 3:46
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I think Ron G. is accurate. The stations that opted not to
use the original intro used the the 12" and either made a
custom edit or spliced the LP version on after the 12"
intro. If there was an alternate intro promo 45, the
members of this board would have uncovered it by now.
Edited by promojunkie on 16 September 2022 at 7:37am
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From the few times I listened to WPLJ, I never knew them to make custom
edits.
I used to be a member of the New York Radio Message Board, and Larry
Berger (WPLJ’s PD until Scott Shannon came back to NY from LA) posted
several times to it. I asked him about how the music was presented since
the shift from AOR to CHR (and before CDs and hard drives became
standard). He said if the 45 version was available to them on a 33 1/3 disc
they played it from that (since the turntables were set at that speed from
their AOR days). If it was only available to them as a 45, they carted it.
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sriv94 wrote:
I used to be a member of the New York Radio Message Board, and Larry
Berger (WPLJ’s PD until Scott Shannon came back to NY from LA) posted
several times to it. I asked him about how the music was presented since
the shift from AOR to CHR (and before CDs and hard drives became
standard). He said if the 45 version was available to them on a 33 1/3 disc
they played it from that (since the turntables were set at that speed from
their AOR days). If it was only available to them as a 45, they carted it. |
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Well that's odd. I don't think I've ever seen a single-speed professional turntable. I guess it solves the problem of DJs
starting something at the wrong speed, but it also limits flexibility.
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