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Posted: 30 July 2012 at 1:01pm | IP Logged Quote rnell

I'm not sure if somebody has started this thread before, but I've been working on a list of Cashbox top 40 hits which were not top 40 hits in Billboard magazine. Although I have only researched 1972, 73 and 74, I was surprised to find out as many as 36 songs were Top 40 hits in Cashbox but not in BB in 1972, 35 in 1973 and 24 in 1974. In addition, many of these songs are not included in the database (e.g. Stories "Mammy blue" #21, Soul Children "Hearsay" #22, Led Zeppelin "Over hills.." #28 to name only very few).
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Posted: 30 July 2012 at 2:18pm | IP Logged Quote musicmanatl

Wow, I had no idea that there were so many. Will you be posting the list here?
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Posted: 30 July 2012 at 3:01pm | IP Logged Quote rnell

Yes of course, I worked with the weekly charts published in the Cashbox website. If you are interested I can also post highest Cashbox and Billboard positions for comparison purposes. It is interesting to see the gap between the highest position between both charts (e.g. John Denver's "I'd rather be a cowboy" reached #27 in CB and #62 in BB). Could anybody explain these differences?
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Posted: 31 July 2012 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Bill Cahill

When you get to "The Letter" by Wayne Newton as the number one song December 12th 1992 you begin to sense a pattern. The earlier Cashbox charts (60's and 70's) seemed reasonable, but into the 80's and 90's the phrase to best describe Cashbox was "the best charts money can buy". For more on Cashbox charts, just Google "Cashbox Magazine Murder"
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Posted: 31 July 2012 at 3:10pm | IP Logged Quote bitman

As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.
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Posted: 31 July 2012 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote rnell

Here's the 1973 list, number in the left is Cashbox peak position, number in the right is BB peak position which I have added for comparison purposes. To make this faster, I have shortened some song titles.

20 Sutherland bros and Quiver You got me anyway      48
21 Stories          Mammy blue        50
25 Jerry Lee Lewis       Drinkin' wine...       41
27 John Denver           I'd rather be a cowboy 62
28 Led Zeppelin       Over the hills and far.51
29 Manhattans        There's no me without..43
30 Steely Dan       Show biz kids        61
31 Donna Fargo       Superman  41
31 Lighthouse       Pretty lady     53
32 Grass Roots     Love is what you make..55
32 Jackie Moore     Sweet Charlie babe     42
33 Stealers Wheel    Everyone's agreed that.49
33 America       Muskrat love      67
34 Rolling Stones     You can't always get.. 42
34 Tom Jones        Letter to Lucille      60
35 Rod Stewart      Twisting the night away 59
35 Bloodstone       Never let you go       43
36 David Gates      Clouds       47
36 Independents     Baby I've been missing.41
36 Dobie Gray       Loving &n bsp; arms     61
36 Alice Cooper     Billion dollar babies 57
37 Les Emmerson     Control of me        51
37 Michael Jackson With a child's heart   50
37 Anne Murray      What about me      64
37 Raspberries      Tonight                    69
38 First Choice     Smarty Pants     56
39 Cymande         The message          48
39 Austin Roberts    Keep on singing        50
39 Hues Corporation Freedom for the..      63
40 Nilsson          Remember (Christmas)   53
40 Tommy James       Boo boo don't cha be.. 70
40 Keith Hampshire   The first cut is the.. 51
40 Eagles          &nbs p; Tequila sunrise        64
40 Nino Tempo        Sister   James     & nbsp;   53

In subsequent years list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can post all 70s and 80s lists.

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Posted: 31 July 2012 at 6:14pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

bitman wrote:
As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.

Up to a certain point Cash Box was sales-only, and we're not quite sure where.

They stopped notating that the chart was compiled from only sales in early 1968, but the year-end charts continued to call it the "Cash Box Top 100 Bestselling Singles Chart" up through the 1973 or 1974 year-end issue. Cash Box began notating which songs were the greatest airplay gainers sometime in the late '70s. So it's kind of a mystery as to exactly when they started incorporating airplay.
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Posted: 06 August 2012 at 12:43am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

rnell wrote:
Here's the 1973 list... In subsequent years
list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can
post all 70s and 80s lists.


I'd like to see them, rnell. Actually, the lists getting
shorter in subsequent years would seem to back up the scant
evidence we have that 1973 was perhaps the last full year
that the "Cash Box" Top 100 was a completely sales-based
chart.

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Posted: 06 August 2012 at 8:01am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

I, too, would like to see all 70s and 80s lists. Thanks.
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Posted: 06 August 2012 at 10:39am | IP Logged Quote rnell

Here's the 1972 list, hope it looks better (compared with my previous list - 1973 -!!).

Thanks to Santi Paradoa for helping me reconvert the files.

22 Soul   Children      Hearsay         44
25 Tommy James & Shondells Nothing To Hide     41
25 Sly & the Family Stone Smilin’          ;    42
26 Guess Who          Heartbroken Bopper     47
26 Stories          I’m Coming Home          42
27 John Denver           Friends With You     47
28 Raiders          Country Wine         51
29 Elton John        Tiny Dancer           41
31 Partridge Family     Am I Losing You         59
32 James Brown         I Got A Bag On My Own     44
32 Bobby Womack           Woman’s Gotta Have It     60
32 Yes          And You And I           ;  42
33 Emotions         Show Me How         52
33 Denise LaSalle     Now Run And Tell That     46
34 Clean Living           In Heaven There Is No Beer 49
34 Giorgio          ; Son Of My Father     46
34 Millie Jackson     My Man A Sweet Man     42
35 Jefferson Airplane     Pretty As You Feel     60
35 King Floyd         Woman Don’t Go Astray     53
35 Joe Tex         You Said A Bad Word     41
36 Alice Cooper      Be My Lover         49
36 Chris Hodges           We’re On Our Way     44
36 Isley Brothers     Lay Away         54
36 John Lennon           Happy Xmas     
36 Candi Staton           In The Ghetto           48
38 James Brown         Honky Tonk         44
38 James Brown         There It Is         43
38 Gladstone        A Piece Of Paper     45
38 Wayne Newton           Can’t You Hear The Song     48
38 Rod Stewart          Handbags And Gladrags     42
38 Sugar Bears         You Are The One        51
39 Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds Daisy Mae     41
39 Nite Liters           Afro Strut         49
40 Crusaders        Put It Where You Want It 52
40 Denise La Salle     Man Sized Job         55
40 Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes I Miss You,      58



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This is 1974

23 Barry White     Honey Please Can’t Ya See     44
24 ZZ   Top     La  ;  Grange  41
25 Alice Cooper     Teenage Lament 74         48
26 Brownsville Station I'm The Leader Of The Gang 48
30 Bob Dylan     On A Night Like This     44
30 Billy Preston You’re So Unique           48
31 Bette Midler      In The Mood         51
31 Stylistics     Heavy Fallin’ Out     41
33 Allman   Brothers   Band   ;   Jessica   65
33 Cher        I Saw A Man He Danced With His..42
33 Kris & Rita     A Song I’d Like To Sing     49
34 Earth, Wind & Fire      Keep Your Head To The..     52
34 Gilbert O'Sullivan     Happiness Is Me And You     62
36 Four Tops         One Chain Don't Make No..41
36 BW Stevenson       The River Of Love     53
37   Lobo              Rings 43
38   Bill   Amesbury   Virginia      59
38 Joe   Cocker Put Out The Light     46
38 Marvin Gaye & Diana Ross Don’t Knock My Love     46
38 Eddie Kendricks Tell Here Love Has Felt      50
38 Steve Miller Band     Living In The USA     49
39 Edgar Winter Group     Hangin’ Around           65
40 Marvin Gaye        You Sure Love To Ball     50
40 Steve Miller Band     Your Cash Ain’t Nothin’.51


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This is 1975

31 Sharon Paige & H. Melvin & Blue Notes Hope That We Can Be….     42
32 Ohio Players     I Want To Be Free        44
33 Gladys Knight & The Pips Love Finds It’s Own Way 47
33 O'Jays     Give The People What They Want     45
35 Gary Toms Empire 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (Blow Your whistle)        46
36 Diamond Reo      Ain't That Peculiar      44
37 Rolling Stones I Don’t Know Why         42
38 Michael Holm       When A Child Is Born      53
38 David Bowie        Changes          ;      41
38 James Taylor        Mexico        49
40 Harry Chapin       I Wanna Learn A Love Song     44
40 Al Green       Oh Me, Oh My      48
40 Gladys Knight & The   Pips     Money    50
40 Alice Cooper      Welcome To My Nightmare     45


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Posted: 06 August 2012 at 11:04am | IP Logged Quote rnell

1976:
32 Frankie   Avalon   Venus     46
38 Bachman Turner Overdrive Down To The line   43
40 Starbuck     I Got To Know     43


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1977:

32 Heart            ;  Dreamboat Annie 42
35 Millie Jackson     If you're not in love..43
36 Walter Murphy      Flight '76   44
37 Aerosmith         Draw the line 42
39 Al Stewart        On the border 42
39 Doobie brothers    Little darling 48

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1978:

34 Johnny Rivers       Curious mind 41
34 Justin Hayward      Forever autumn 47
35 Dan Hill           All I see is your face 41
36 D. Ross/M. Jackson Ease on down the road 41
38 John Denver        How can I leave you again 44
39 Nick Gilder        Here comes the night 44

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Does anyone know why the amount of songs that only made top 40 in Cashbox (and not Billboard) gets smaller the further we get into the '70s?
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I continue with the lists of CB top 40 singles (outside the top 40 in BB):

1979

33 Gary's Gang      Keep on dancin' 41
33 Mass Production Firecracker 43
34 Stevens, Ray     I need your help BM 49
40 Firefall        Goodbye I love you 43
40   Cars              It's all I can do   41

1980

34 Flying Lizards    Money         50
35 Mac Davis        It's hard to be humble 43
37 Robert John      Lonely eyes 41
38 Queen          Play the game 42
39 Ali Thomson      Live every minute 42

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Great thread. I just received the two new Whitburn Music Vendor / Record World books for Christmas with a focus on checking out the songs that made those charts but never hit the Billboard Top 100. It got me to thinking, is there an easy way to get to the same information with Cashbox, or do you have to go day by day using the charts on their website?
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Ringmaster_D wrote:
Great thread. I just received the two new Whitburn Music Vendor / Record World books for Christmas with a focus on checking out the songs that made those charts but never hit the Billboard Top 100. It got me to thinking, is there an easy way to get to the same information with Cashbox, or do you have to go day by day using the charts on their website?


Or you could wait until our Cash Box book comes out, late next year. We'll have the non-Billboard hits marked with a special symbol (just like the RW book).
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Paul:
So that upcoming Cashbox book will include the songs that also
charted on the BB chart?

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