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I just saw Paul Haney mention inside the "Feliz Navidad" thread about this
upcoming new RR book. I'm normally "all over" new RR releases, but it's the
first I'm hearing about this one! Now I know we all love the Top 40 hits, but
in my heart I've always had a special spot for the "coulda-woulda-shoulda"
45s that this new RR release will include. I decided to give this topic its own
thread here because, 1) it will be out soon (next month), and 2) it mentions
that this publication will only be produced in very limited quantities, so don't
delay if you're interested. I'm pre-ordering mine Wednesday. More
outstanding work by Mr. Whitburn/ Mr. Haney/RR team!
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We just sent the book to the printer yesterday afternoon, so it should be in stock by mid-December.
This book is chock-full of really obscure stuff. Many songs/artists/labels that are totally new to me!
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The books just arrived at our offices yesterday (12/7) and we've already started shipping out the back-orders! If you've already ordered the book, you'll be getting it soon.
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Thanks for the info on this. I just ordered Record World Top 100 and 101-150 books today (actually, a total of 8 Record Research books!)
BTW, years ago I bought the Radio & Records (R&R) "book" of their charts, so with this Record World purchase, I'll now have all 4 major chart books: Record World, R&R, Cashbox and, of course, all the Billboard books.
Incidentally, the guy at Record Research told me they're doing an update to the Cashbox book that Pat previously put out. It may have Bubbling Under added, as well as other info and some corrections. BTW, in that Cashbook book, it mistakenly has ABBA's "When All Is Said and Done" peaking at #1. Pat, can you (or anyone) tell me the correct position of that record in Cashbox? Thanks. (Pat's Cashbox book is really great, for those of you who don't have it or know about it).
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EdisonLite wrote:
Incidentally, the guy at Record Research told me they're doing an update to the Cashbox book that Pat previously put out. It may have Bubbling Under added, as well as other info and some corrections. BTW, in that Cashbook book, it mistakenly has ABBA's "When All Is Said and Done" peaking at #1. Pat, can you (or anyone) tell me the correct position of that record in Cashbox? Thanks. (Pat's Cashbox book is really great, for those of you who don't have it or know about it). |
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It peaked at #31, Gordon, in the 3/13/82 issue.
For anyone who doesn't know, every Cash Box chart from 1950 on is available on the Cash Box website:
http://cashboxmagazine.com/archives/index.html
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Thanks Brian.
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Wow, I am really impressed with this new book! As Paul alluded to earlier,
there are many obscure, "local" hits, which were so much more prevalent
pre-1972, that have never appeared in any RR publication before. It is just
SO wonderful for me to finally have these songs be given the "full Whitburn
treatment", as to accurate title, flip side, label and catalog # details. I'm sure
that Paul Haney must've personally put much time and effort into this new RR
book. Thank you, sir, as I'm personally enjoying the "fruits of your labor"
very much!
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Thanks for all of the kind words about the books.
The work on the Cash Box book is just getting started. Let me stress that this is not simply an "update" as we are doing the research on the weekly charts from scratch. We've already uncovered several errors in the prevously published books. Stay tuned!
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Paul,
I just received the Record World bubbling under book and have to tell you that I'm dissapointed. This book should of had a lot more titles that bubbled under. Apparently,the book only lists records that did not appear in any of Whitburn's Billboard books. I think that for #50.00 the book should contain ALL the records that Bubbled Under in Record World including those that went on to make the top 100. This book has only 176 pages while the top 100 book has 418 pages. Whitburn charges the same price for both books. Somehow, this doesn't seem fair. The Bubbling Under book should of been complete with all the records that bubbled under or at least cost half the price. What do you think?
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Does the book not contain every single that peaked between 101 and 150 in Record World? It should, regardless if it peaked in Billboard's Hot 100 or Billboard's Bubbling Under. I certainly hope I misread or misunderstood the above statement. That's what I thought I was paying for when I ordered the book yesterday. In fact, if a song peaked at, say, #76 in Billboard and #123 in Record World, I'd certainly want to know about that - because it would be a better indication to me (and a fuller picture) of how the song actually did nationally. So, I sure hope none of the songs that peaked between #101 and #150 were left off the Record World Hit Records Book of songs that peaked between #101 and #150.
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Yes, the book ONLY contains those songs that didn't chart on Billboard (and it WAS advertised as such). We simply didn't have the time nor the resources to print a book covering the entire chart (see the 4th paragraph in Joel's author's note).
Believe me, I'd love to see the full research some day (and I believe it'll eventually get done). But for now, we felt it important to get these new charted titles accounted for first.
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EdisonLite,
No! The book only contains records that did not chart in any of the Billboard books.
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But Paul--- this book shouldn't cost #50.00 for half of the songs. In my opinion it's a little steep.
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Right Bondy, also it seems like a money grab to me. All of this could have fit in one book. The bubbling Under book is only 176 pages, The Hit records is 416. It could have easily fit into one book. I would have paid an extra $20.00 to have it all in one place instead of over $100.00 for the 2 books. Now I have to look in both books to reference an artist. "Money Grab"
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Gordon, when I first saw the "official blurb" on this new book (BSN
maybe?), it was instantly apparent to me exactly what its contents were.
My bad for not including that link in my initial post. I didn't mean to give
you a bum steer, old buddy, but as Paul said, it ain't perfect, and there
was "full disclosure." Nonetheless, I'm sure Paul will "make it right", if you
expected different contents.
Bondy and djjohn, you are both very new to Pat's board. Therefore,
nothing personal, but your opinions don't carry much credibility with me
yet. All I can say is that I am *positive* that neither of you have ever
published a "research" book yourselves. Research takes *forever!!!*. One
of my best friends just published a 400-page book on 60's garage music.
It took him 21 *years!* And he, too, got some of these same "money grab"
comments, for his own $99.95 price. I saw what this guy went through
with fact-checking, etc. and I know those "money grab" "words were both
hurtful to him, are SO not true! Choose to pass on these books if you like,
but my lawyer just told me this week he's upped his fee to $300 an
*hour!*. Perspective, anyone? Guys, RR didn't just go through old Record
Worlds, and "cherry pick" the previously-RR-unpublished songs. You think
the "flip sides" of all these songs were also listed in the mag? No. RR came
up with them. You think the fact that "The Kings Ransom" was from
Allentown, PA was found in RW? No. RR dug it up. And that the 45 showed
no "apostrophe" for the word "Kings?" No. Again, RR. *That's* what takes
all the time to research. I also know first hand that RW's listed label and
catalog # info was, by far, the least accurate of all the trade mags. For
that, RR had to ignore whatever it saw and re-research it all, I'm sure.
Bondy and djjohn, I do not work for Record Research. And I assure you, I
have also had the occasional "issue" with RR over the years. John says that
he'd now have to use two books at times. I admit, it's not perfect. But at
least there IS a book now, to use in tandem. Like anything, I guess, folks
can choose to see things as "cup half full", or "cup half empty." I just felt
that your RR criticisms were unfair, in this case. Thanks for reading, and I
look forward to future posts from you both.
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jimct,
Yes I am new on this board, but do own a lot of Whitburn's Billboard books and very satisfied with all of them. If I would of read the add correctly I would not of bought this book because to me it's not complete. I could of waited and purchased the complete bubbling under book and would have gladly paid more for the completed book, so now people would have to buy 2 books instead of one. Call it what you want, but I think that DJJOHN is right.
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jimct wrote:
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Well, I'm not sure how Paul can "make it right". I was expecting all the chart #'s. And yes, I did read the blurb but I thought that was just one of the advertised points, like ... "think of all the non-Billboard charting songs you'll find in THIS book because this is RW's charts!" I didn't think it meant it was the ONLY songs in the book.
Still, being a "glass half full" person, I'm glad the books came out and I'd still rather have them than not. But boy, would I have liked to see all the RW peaks!!!
It'll probably be a week before I receive these Record World books, so let me get a heads up on what to expect (what's in the book and what's missing). Are you saying:
... that the 101-150 book contains no songs that peaked in Billboard's Bubbling Under charts and HOT 100? What if they peaked in the AC, R&B or country books?
... the top 100 book contains no songs that peaked in Billboard's Hot 100 or Bubbling Under? ... or country or AC or country or rock charts?
Can there be many top 5 hits in the Record World top 100 book at all? I can't even imagine there'd be any top 10 RW hits that didn't make at least #100 or #125 in Billboard... (other than an occasional obvious payola record.... Didn't we see Wayne Newton or someone had a top 5 pop hit in the 1982 (!) in Cashbox or Radio & Records?)
UPDATE: Unless it was a typo like ABBA'S "When All Is Said and Done", in Cashbox Wayne reached #1 in 1992 (!) with a single on Curb Records. Hmmmm :) I don't remember that one.
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Gordon, by "making it right", I was simply referring to to fact that Paul/RR
would give you a refund, if you'd bought something, but were expecting
different contents.
Regarding the BB Country/AC/Rock chart entries also possibly being
excluded here, I could certainly research/check on that for you if needed, but
my guess is that Paul would very quickly be able to answer that specific
question for you.
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Gordon, here's what's in the books.
The original Hit Records 1954-82 book contains EVERYTHING that charted on the Music Vendor/Record World Top 100 charts, even if it also hit Billboard (the ones that never charted in Billboard are marked with a special symbol, and there are lots of those too). The only real caveat to that statement is if the same song was done by multiple artists, then we only researched the first title listed each week. This was quite common during the 1950s, with all the different cover versions. Unlike Billboard, MV/RW lumped all versions together, with the most popular version listed first.
The Hit Records #101-150 book ONLY contains those titles that did not get a peak position on either the Billboard Hot 100 or Bubbling Under charts. There are LOTS of titles that hit Billboard's R&B, Country, AC, etc and those ARE included in the book.
I hope that clears things up for you.
If you have any other questions/concerns, please feel free to PM me or give me a call at Record Research. We want satisfied customers!
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Well, the Hit Records book is then exactly like what I expected. The 101-150 book is a disappointment, but I'd rather have it than not, and I do understand the time constraints involved (although there was some extra time taken up just to make sure the songs they were including WEREN'T in the two Billboard books.)
Speaking of calling Record Research, I've called twice this past week - spoke to a Brent and a woman whose name I don't remember. But they told me there are only 3 people who work in the office. Paul, I take it you are the 3rd! They mentioned the first name of the 3rd person, but I don't recall what they said. Guess I just missed you!
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