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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 12:25pm \| IP Logged

Question for the class. Have a friend who indicates that the stock 45 of "Radar Love" ran (3:44) (which might be the version found on the K-Tel CD 70s Heavy Hitters: Arena Rockers 1970-74), and that the commonly found (5:02)ish version was the B-side of the stock single.

Is he right? Or could that have been a different promo or even a reissue?

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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 2:14pm \| IP Logged

Doug, the original U.S. stock 45 (MCA-40202) was listed at 5:01, with "Just Like Vince Taylor" on the flip. Though it carried the MCA catalog number, the label itself was the milk chocolate-colored Track label. My copy dates from '76-'77, by which time MCA had replaced the brown Track label with the then-current black rainbow label, still under the MCA-40202 catalog number, 5:01 list, and "...Vince Taylor" still on the rear side. In other words, the only thing different was the label design. The single was eventually shifted to MCA's 45 reissue series under a new catalog number (MCA-60181), but the A/B-side pairing and timings remained unchanged (still 5:01 for "Radar.")

When Golden Earring Live was released in 1977, MCA issued a 4:42 edit of the 12:00 live "Radar Love" (MCA-40802) backed with a 2:53-listed edit of the "Radar Love" Moontan studio version. (I don't have this one to confirm that it's identical to the short side of the 1973 DJ 45.)

I haven't seen a 3:44-ish U.S. Track/MCA stock 45.

Edited by Yah Shure on 07 May 2013 at 2:15pm

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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 11:56pm \| IP Logged

Doug, my guess is that your buddy's memory is faulty, and that the (3:44)
Arena Rockers version was one of the many K-Tel custom hatchet jobs!

Aside from the burgundy-colored, 1977 promo 45, MCA 40802, live
version edit/original studio version edit that John has just referenced
above (And John, you might want to compare my deadwax info below,
with your 1977 short studio side, to see if they match up.) I have only ever
seen *one* "Radar Love" promo 45, from 1974. My copy, confirmed as
Track/MCA 40202, features the "short version" on both sides. One side is
mono (deadwax "MC 2698M-W2"), the other side is stereo (deadwax "MC
2698-W3"). Both sides have both a listed and actual time of (2:53). Just
now, while timing it, I was reminded of when I heard it played as a
current. Jeez, was it ever sped up!

I'm betting that the current (2:55) database CDs, which state "this is the DJ
edit", are correct, edit-wise, except for the speed issue. John, if your 1977
promo's 45 version "checks out", could you possibly analyze it against the
db "DJ edit" CDs, for a speed difference?

Finally, I'm pretty darn surprised that I've never seen a short/long, 1974
Track/MCA "Radar Love" promo 45. There had to be one for it, right? Does
anyone either have one, or do any of our old DJs on here remember
spinning a white label, long version "Radar Love" promo on-air in '74?

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 8:15am \| IP Logged

Jim I have the long/short dj 45 of MCA 40202. The short side has matrix number MC 2698M-W2 and the long side has matrix number MC 2636-W2.

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 9:08am \| IP Logged

Thanks, Pat. It just made perfect sense that it also existed, given the
Rocket/MCA long/short promo 45 for "I've Got The Music In Me", which
was out at right around the same time.

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 9:56am \| IP Logged

My MCA 40202 mono "short version"/stereo "long version" DJ 45 matches Pat's copy's deadwax info. It was pressed by MCA's Pinckneyville, Illinois plant, based on its deadwax symbol:

Pinkneyville, IL: <>--P--<>

Gloversville, NY: [ ]--G--[ ]

(Jim: I don't have any copy of the 1977 MCA 40802 45.)

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 6:05pm \| IP Logged

Yah Shure wrote:

My MCA 40202 mono "short
version"/stereo "long version" DJ 45 matches Pat's copy's
deadwax info. It was pressed by MCA's Pinckneyville,
Illinois plant, based on its deadwax symbol:

John,
You might want to give a listen to the short version on
your copy...mine is labeled as being mono, but is
actually stereo. Mine is also a Pinckneyville pressing.
Somewhere I also have a mono/stereo short copy, but it
seems to be misfiled.

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 7:44pm \| IP Logged

Steve, you're right about the so-called mono short side! It's a remix, actually: narrower than the long side, but done specifically with AM/mono FM compatibility in mind. MCA used that same approach more than a few times with other "mono"-labelled DJ 45 remixes in 1973, including Kiki Dee's "Amoureuse" (MCA-Rocket 40157) and Barry DeVorzon's "Theme From Dillinger" (MCA 40110).

The short "mono" (narrower stereo) "Radar Love" packs a much greater punch than the wider stereo mix on the long side, in my opinion. It really rocks!

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 7:55pm \| IP Logged

Jim's short/short promo 45 is also a Pinckneyville pressing, which prompts me to ask a question: My radio gigs were in the central third of the U.S., so all MCA promo service I ever received came from Pinckneyville. Does anyone who slaved over a hot turntable in the eastern states have Gloversville-pressed DJ 45s of any MCA titles from 1973 through the '80s?

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 8:15pm \| IP Logged

John, I just chose one at random, from your time period, sent to CT radio.
ONJ's 1981's "Physical". It does have your Gloversville symbol. So there's one,
of likely many!

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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 8:24pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for the speedy reply, Jim. Question answered!

Just checked my "Physical" DJ 45. It's a Pinckneyville.

What was it with Decca/MCA choosing towns ending in "ville" for their pressing plants? Makes me wonder if the old Plasticville toy towns ever had a record pressing plant? (I did have Plasticville's WPLA TV station.) :)

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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 10:45am \| IP Logged

I checked a handful of random MCA promos from that era,
and with the exception of one (Steely Dan's "FM"), all
were Gloversville pressings. The symbol on "FM" was very
faint, but didn't look like either one.

BTW, did you know that one of the principal industries in
Gloversville was glove making?

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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 2:58pm \| IP Logged

No, I'd been blissfully unaware of Gloversville's glorious namesake past. In trying to get up to speed on the subject, I happened upon this line from Gloversville's City Historian:

Millions of pairs of gloves were regularly shipped by rail to all parts of the world.

Seems a somewhat unorthodox manner of getting the goods to such markets as Paris, London, Tokyo, Sydney or Honolulu, but, hey, if it worked, then great! I would imagine they had to take shrinkage into account, though. :)

It's also fascinating how the Scranton Button Company branched into making phonograph records (both products being shellac-based), eventually becoming the Capitol Records plant.

Or that the since-razed Presswell Records plant was only a few miles down the road from the intersection of Atco and Atlantic Avenues in Atco, New Jersey.

In view of the sometimes lax quality control at both record manufacturers over the years, one might wonder whether recycled gloves or buttons somehow found their way into the vinyl pellet barrels...

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Posted: 17 May 2024 at 6:03am \| IP Logged

Going back to the OP's question... the ~3:44 version appears on:

The band's 1973 appearance on Top of the Pops.

A YouTube clip provided by the band's Dutch record company in 2016, as "Radar Love (Original UK Single Version)".

The 2021 Netherlands deluxe CD of the Moontan album, as "Radar Love (Single Version)".

Meanwhile, a commenter on 45cat says the UK 45 plays the standard 5:01 edit. And on Discogs and 45cat, the 45s which mention a duration only say 2:53 or 5:01.

There is a Dutch promo 45 containing an "Edited version for airplay only" and no printed durations. Maybe it's there?

Kind of a mystery.

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Posted: 14 June 2024 at 4:49pm \| IP Logged

I also believe the edit that runs 3:44 was issued on the UK 45 on the Track label. Most if not all of those UK 45s had no listed times. That was not unusual in late 1973/early 1974.

It's possible some of the UK 45s had the five minute plus unedited version, but the 3:44 edit was probably what radio played across the pond. The 3:44 edit appears on a recent various artist UK compilation:

https://www.discogs.com/master/3478522-Various-Now-Yearbook- 74

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