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My commercial 45, confirmed as Reprise 20202, has deadwax info of "45
R-20,202-B", then a circled "3", then "RE 3X (2101)". It has no listed time,
but an actual time of (2:43). I only post this info because the 13 current
db CDs that include this song (all stereo) all run shorter, at
between (2:32) and (2:34).
Since my 45's deadwax includes a "RE" on it, I referred to my favorite
version of RR's Pop Annual (1955-1994, because it includes both the
listed 45 times and the stock #s, unlike most later Pop Annual volumes.)
And when there were no listed time on the 45, like this one, RR timed it
themselves. They also show (2:43) for a timing, so my stock 45 copy is
likely the 1963 norm, not the exception. And it runs approximately :10
longer than all CD versions do. (Hopefully the upcoming, 1963 Hit
Parade/Eric Instrumentals set will include the CD debut of this song, in its
correct 45 length.)
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This one's bugged me since first hearing "The Lonely Surfer" in stereo on United Artists' 1976 Golden Summer double-LP compilation. The stereo track fades out prematurely and runs at a much slower speed than either the 45 or the track on my mono copy of Jack's 1963 The Lonely Surfer LP (Reprise R-6101; 2:43 actual, no listed times on either the jacket or label.) The mono LP/45 version can't be replicated from the stereo CD track because the fade on the mono tracks hasn't even begun by the time the stereo track has already completely faded out, and that's not even taking the speed differences into account. I suspect the mono vinyl versions were sped up, but if you're used to those, the stereo versions sound like Drag City (and not the Jan & Dean kind, either.)
Jim, I have several stock 45s, all Monarch-pressed, but the spacing between the song title letters varies among them. All have the same "RE 3X" inscription as your 45.
Does anyone have the stereo Reprise The Lonely Surfer LP to confirm whether this is a 45/mono LP vs. stereo LP difference?
Edited by Yah Shure on 08 July 2013 at 8:25am
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John, I agree with you 100%. The slower, stereo version is a total fail, if you
remember hearing it both faster and longer, on the old AM radio! Maybe you
can shoot your mono LP version out to Aaron? It might just be our best
chance to get a high quality de-vinyl out of it. My own copy of the original
45 is not as high quality as I would like it to be.....
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Well, hold the phone...
It turns out that the 45 and mono vinyl LP track aren't the same, after all. (my actual 45 time is also 2:43.) The mix difference is apparent right from the second note: the 45 has a drier and more sparse feel to it at the beginning, and the little percussive sounds aren't quite as pronounced as the wetter ones on the LP. When the strings kick in at :43, they're more prominent on the LP. The snare drum comes through the mix more sharply on the 45, giving it a hair more of a driving beat. French horns and trombones are about equally balanced on both mixes.
The fadeouts differ, too: the 45 starts to fade audibly at 2:30, then tapers off to a low level from 2:37 on, with the last second or two falling victim to the detented fader's abrupt dropoffs. The mono LP track doesn't begin to audibly fade until 2:36, with the final 2.5 seconds getting a rather hasty sendoff.
If I were to describe the overall differences, the mono LP track has more of a Wall Of Surf ambiance to it, whereas the 45 comes across as more controlled. Each is great in its own way, plus there's that several-extra-seconds-of-"endless summer" advantage over their "early winter" stereo counterparts. :)
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For the versions that currently appear on CD, what
should the notation be in the database? Is it a case of
"neither the 45 or the LP version" or should the
notation be "Golden Summers LP version"?
Edited by Fetta on 27 August 2016 at 9:05pm
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