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edtop40
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my commercial 45 for the gentrys song 'keep on dancing'
issued as mgm 13379 lists the run time on the label as
2:08
but actually runs 2:23......after the song ends, the
organ
outro runs an additional 0:10 then there is a very faint
reprise sung for another 0:03.......all the db entries
must
dump the song before the organ outro begins......do any
of
the db entries contain this very faint organ outro and
reprise?......you'll probably need to listen to the vinyl
45 on headphones to hear it....very odd!!...my run out
groove info is 'K-13379 65-XY-537-1'....does anyone have
the 45 without the organ outro and reprise?
Edited by edtop40 on 25 November 2013 at 5:34pm
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My deadwax is K13379 65XY537. Listed time 2:08 with actual total time of 2:21 which is at the end of the vocal reprise which is way down in the noise after the organ reprise. I doubt any radio station boosted the level to air that part. The rumble on the turntables of the day would have made the end inaudible.
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I agree, Tom. No dead air-fearin' top-40 boss jock worth their weight in solid gold was about to risk being blinded by the light of the program director's inevitable call on the studio hotline over letting the 45 play to the very, very end.
I'd be curious to know if the barely-audible extended ending was also present on the original, pre-MGM Youngstown label 45 as well as the MGM Keep On Dancing LP. The song's first compilation album appearance was probably on 1965's Solid Gold (MGM 4352.) I have the mono issue of this various artists LP, and "Keep On Dancing" fades out earlier, just as it does on the CD comps I have, as well as Polydor's Band Of Gold mid-'70s reissue 45.
I had the radio on at work one night in 1969 when KDWB's Rob Sherwood played "Keep On Dancing" with a looped ending that kept right on dancing. Every time the organ faded down, back would come the drums and another chorus. After the loop had repeated for a couple minutes, he built it into a bit, stoking listener curiosity over just how long the endless encore might go on. It was hilarious!
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To YahShure:
I'm pretty "shure" that even the released 45 is already looped! Notice the end is the same as the beginning is the same as the end is the same as the beginning is the...
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Indeed, Andy. It's Groundhog Day and The Thing That Wouldn't Leave all rolled into one. The ultimate Bill Murray endless marathon!
If some creative mastering engineer ever figures out how to make a functional never-ending "KOD" vinyl record, I'm definitely in! :)
Edited by Yah Shure on 25 November 2013 at 11:15am
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Very interesting. I wonder if the 45 run time can be carefully re-created by looping the short version.
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Ringmaster_D wrote:
Very interesting. I wonder if the 45 run time can be
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Yes! For many years, research had revealed that, at just 1:31-ish, the song
was deemed to run a bit too short, even by late 1965 standards. The solution
was to splice on the beginning of the song after the fade, let it run for about
40 seconds, and then fade it again, resulting in a 2:11-ish end result. For
what its worth, this fact is currently noted in Wikipedia. All that DJ's
"continuous loop gimmick" did, in truth, was to take what was actually done
with the record, and go much further with the concept.
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jimct wrote:
All that DJ's
"continuous loop gimmick" did, in truth, was to take what was actually done
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The looped part also involved some editing: the song played straight through to about the 1:44 mark, at the end of the first portion of the repeated first verse ("come on and show me how you work.") It then cut to the drums before the "keep on..." second portion of the second verse, which led to the organ fade. Then back to the first portion of the first verse, the second and third portions of the second verse, the organ fade, etc. The second and third portions of the first verse and the first portion of the second verse never appeared more than once. The end result was that the fading organ part recycled about every 46 seconds (rather than every 1:20), making the looped ending that much more obvious (and the bit that much funnier.)
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In order to replicate the barely-audible ending of the 45, you'll need to EQ out every bit of the bottom end of that portion, to the point where when the vocal comes back in, it's almost as though the musicians have already gone home.
Edited by Yah Shure on 25 November 2013 at 6:57pm
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Thanks for the added song/edit specifics, John. Much appreciated!
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has anyone successfully re-created the vinyl 45 version by
doing the loop?
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Ed, if you want to send me a 45 dub, I have the CD version. Should be easy to replicate.
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good stuff, aaron!!
i just sent you the vinyl 45 version thru MBF for your
review....let us know what you uncover...
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thx for the file; great job aaron.....simply
terrific!!!!.....
pat....you should amend the db because as my original post
says the songs actual run time is 2:23.....the db says it
runs 2:21....as listed below...
GENTRYS, The
1965 - KEEP ON DANCING (the actual 45 running time is
(2:21) not (2:08) as stated on the record label)
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