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Since cassette singles began to take over as the predominant singles format around 1989 or so, I thought it would be useful to start a list, for us all to contribute to, of any differences there were between the version of a hit on the cassette and the vinyl 45, or CD single. I've got more than I'm listing here, but this is just to get started.
Janet Jackson - The Pleasure Principle The vinyl 45 used the full LP Version; cassette single used the 7" Vocal, similar to the video remix, but with a very different intro, mixing in the final line from the previous single, "Come Back to Me," repeated over and over: "I promise, I'll be worth the wait." The extended remixes are on CD, but the 7" Vocal of Pleasure Principle has never been issued on CD, and it's not possible to edit down the long mix to match.
Coolio - 1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New) This was a two-track CD single in the US, which used the "dirty" Timber Mix (3:20) b/w the song "Smilin'" (4:09)
The two-track cassette single used the Timber Mix Clean Version (3:20), with all the swearing bleeped out, b/w the Clean Album Version. I did manage to get Timber Mix Clean on an import CD Single (Tommy Boy 0630-14514-2, UPC 7 0630145142 7), but i don't know that I ever found the Clean Album Version. They were probably both on the promo CD, but I don't have it.
There are others that I know of or own that I'll post later. Any additions are welcome.
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Brian W. wrote:
Coolio - 1,2,3,4 (Sumpin' New) This was a two-track CD single in the US, which used the "dirty" Timber Mix (3:20) b/w the song "Smilin'" (4:09)
The two-track cassette single used the Timber Mix Clean Version (3:20), with all the swearing bleeped out, b/w the Clean Album Version. I did manage to get Timber Mix Clean on an import CD Single (Tommy Boy 0630-14514-2, UPC 7 0630145142 7), but i don't know that I ever found the Clean Album Version. They were probably both on the promo CD, but I don't have it. |
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I have the promo CD, and you are correct, it does have the "Clean Timber Mix," "Clean Album Version," and "Timber Mix Instrumental." The "Clean Album Version" can also obviously be found on the edited (Wal-Mart) version of "Gangsta's Paradise."
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Thanks, Aaron.
Another puzzler is MC Lyte's "Keep On Keepin' On." The cassette single used the cleaned-up "Radio Version" -- however, it was not quite as clean as the "Radio Version" on the commercial maxi-single (which was called "Lyte of a Decade," UPC 07559660442 0). They're identical except for the two instances of the word "ass," at 00:14 and 2:03 -- it's bleeped on all CD issues, but left intact on the cassette single.
I knocked my head against the wall looking for this on CD, to no avail. All CD issues -- promo CD, imports, everything -- used the extra-clean Radio Version. Fortunately, it's easy enough to recreate the cassette single version with editing software if you have the "Lyte of a Decade" CD single. Just paste in the word "ass" from the "Soundtrack Version - Dirty."
Another one is Luniz "I Got 5 On It." The cassette single was the "Clean Version," running 4:14, but the CD maxi single used the Clean Short Version, which cut about ten seconds of instrumental at the very end, running 4:04, and the "Clean Weedless" version, with all references to marijuana blanked out. The Clean Short Version is what's on "Billboard Top Hits 1995."
I have never found the full length Clean Version on CD. It's not on any of the imports or the promo single. But again, you can just tack on the end from the Clean Weedless Mix at around the 4:00 mark, and there you have your single version.
Very easy to edit these with the maxi-singles, since the different versions are at the same volume level and EQ'd the same.
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That's interesting about the Luniz track "I Got 5 On It." I have at least three different copies of this single, too, but not the cassette (so I didn't know the 4:14 version existed anywhere). I have a promo CD that has the "Remix" "Clean Weedless Mix" and "Gumbo Funk Remix." I also have the US Maxi which has those same mixes, plus the "Instrumental." And I have an import that contains the "Clean Short Mix." I've always thought it was interesting, though, that the "Clean Weedless Mix" doesn't actually take out any of the marajuana references. Does it in your copy?
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attn all.......luniz song "i got 5 on it" that was issued in 1995 on the cassingle no trybe 38474 has the 1st track as the clean version (4:13).........the cd single issued under the same label #38474 DOES NOT have the same versions as the cassingle........the official single version should be the cassingle version and NOT the cd single version.........the cd single has the "clean bay ballas vocal remix" (4:12) as the first track which IS NOT the same version as the cassingle.......the cassingle version ie: the clean version IS available on cd......it is available on a various rap compilation titled "the bomb:hip hop vol 1" issued in 1996 by backstage records........i've compared the cassingle version versus this cd version and they are IDENTICAL.......
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hey brian........the song by mc lyte "keep on, keepin' on" issued on the flavor unit 64302 cassingle has the first track as the "radio version-clean"...........this version WAS issued on the promo cd of the song which i had and recently sold on ebay........so the true single version ie the "radio version-clean" IS availbale on cd in the form of the promo cd single.........i beleive it it should be fairly easy to buy since i don't recall selling it for a lot of money.......if not on ebay you can find in on musicstack or gemm fairly easily.......i do have a copy of it and it is the exact same version as the cassingle version.....after listening very closely the words "ass" are partially edited out but not to the point to be noticeable.........
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now you guys can help me out on one.........the song "i
wish" by skee-lo that was issued in 1995 on the cassingle
sunshine 78032 has the "single mix" (4:08) as the first
track which has a different intro than the first track on
cd single 78032 that has the "radio edit"
(4:08).........the cassingle version ie the true single
version has a spoken intro of a radio announcer saying
"hey, this is radio station 'wskee', we're taking calls
on the wish line, making your wacky wishes come
true".......then skee-lo starts singing......."hello, i
wish is was a little bit taller........"........does
anyone know where i could find this true single version
of his hit song?
Edited by edtop40 on 04 July 2014 at 1:13pm
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edtop40 wrote:
| this version WAS issued on the promo cd of the song which i had and recently sold on ebay........i do have a copy of it and it is the exact same version as the cassingle version.....after listening very closely the words "ass" are partially edited out but not to the point to be noticeable......... |
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Nope, you're mistaken, Ed. I own both US promo CDs for the song, and the cassingle as well. True, the word "ass" is only partly blanked out on the promo CD, but "ass" is not even partially blanked out on the cassingle -- the word is there in its entirety.
I guarantee you, what is on the promo CD single is NOT the exact cassingle version.
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edtop40, the Skee-Lo "I Wish" version with the spoken intro is on a CD called "The Hit List" on Intersound Records. I bought the edited version of the CD, and I know it's on that one for sure (59275), but it may be the same version on the explicit CD, too.
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aaronk.....i just bought the "hit list" cd and i will compare it to the cassingle and will report on my findings in the future.........
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aaronk.....i just listened to the cassingle of "i wish" by skee-lo and it is the same as the hit list cd version..........thx for the tip........
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edtop40, glad I could help! I like contributing info as much as I enjoy receiving it.
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Edtop40 you can also find the cassingle version of "I Wish" by Skee-lo on Beast 53302, a US cd titled Summer Jammin'.
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I just picked up my copy of The Hit List CD and noticed that this disc also includes a 4:14 version of Run DMC's "Down with the King". Is this a radio edit? I ask because every CD appearance of this song in the 10th Edition of Top 40 Hits on Compact Disc is listed with a 5:02 run time.
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I e-mailed edtop40 and he reports that the cassingle of "Down with the King" (Profile 5391) contains the "vocal" version which is listed at 5:20 on the sleeve, but actually runs a few seconds longer at 5:23. He says the 4:15 version is indeed the radio edit from the promo CD single. Thanks, edtop40!
Getting back to Brian W.'s original post that started this whole thread regarding differences between CD, cassette, and vinyl singles of a particular song. It was determined on another message thread that the single and vinyl 45 of Green Jello/Jelly's "Three Little Pigs" are both different.
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nice job by brian to re-create the cassingle version of
"keep on keepin' on" by mc lyte........it
matches perfectly.....thanks brian
Edited by edtop40 on 23 November 2011 at 9:11am
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