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I've been working on compiling a list by each year of the 1960's top 10 in hopes of seeing what is clearly not available in mono on CD. I was wondering if anyone else has done this already or has seen where this info had been compiled by someone else.
Similar to what crapfromthepast did with listing all the tracks from the Hot 100 and then finding the best source, I want to see what would have to be converted from the 45 to have a truly top 40 mono collection of the 1960's that would need to be needledropped that is not on CD.
I am aware of the 1968-1974 posts about the slow conversion of stereo replacing mono year by year, but this is more about the 1955-1967 period where mono was king. If anyone is interested, as I go through the top 10 year by year I can post here what is not available in the US in mono on CD. If anyone outside the US knows where to find the mono they can post it here. It is a huge project but I feel that if no one has done it, it would be fun to work to assemble it. The top 40 is the goal, but assembling the top 10 first would be nice.
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That is an interesting project. I would encourage using some import CDs to help you in your search for the unique mono versions for some of those songs (especially those on the UK Ace label). They have released several CDs where they use only mono versions for each and every year in a series. Also, Brian W. is a big mono collector and he has documented many rare mono finds in this thread: http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39&K W=mono
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Thanks. I checked the board and I don't think there has ever been a true thread dedicated to finding the entire 1960's top 10 in mono. The 1955-1959 period would be tackled later I wanted to focus on building the top 10 right up into the stereo era.
Brian W, if you have a list or want to see what I have come up with let me know. Is there anything you know of program or app wise that checks whether a file is truly mono or not? I am pretty sure my entire top 10 lossless of the 1960's is about 85 percent stereo outside of Motown, Beatles, Rolling Stones and Simon and Garfunkel and some CD mono only releases.
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Yes! I'd be interested in helping create a list.
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When you say top 10 do you mean the song charted at ten or higher on the Billboard Hot 100? I'm asking because at first I thought you meant it was just the top ten songs as ranked for the entire year. So for the entire decade you would only need 100 mono songs.
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Meaning songs charted at ten or higher on the Billboard Hot 100 (for most years in the 60's anywhere from 92 to 105 hits depending on the year)
Sorry I did not clarify.
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No issues. So you can add any of the DC5 top ten hits or those Wall Of Sound productions by Phil Spector to the list of the tracks that should be easy to find in mono. Same goes for the top ten hits on Cameo/Parkway.
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Let's get this project started! I created a Google Sheet that can be viewed here:
1960s Mono On CD
The sheet already contains a list of every top 10 hit from the 1960s. I also added columns for the CD source and run time.
If you would like to have editing access to the sheet, please send me a PM. I'm happy to add anyone interested in contributing.
Edited by aaronk on 12 August 2018 at 10:33pm
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I would suggest that the discussion be limited to non-U.S. releases, so that we don't copy information from Pat's copyrighted database.
These are 1960s Top Ten hits that I know of which are indicated in the database as never having been released on a US CD in mono that have been released in mono on foreign releases. (Availability in mono on even one U.S. CD disqualifies the song from the list for all eternity.)
Roy Orbison's "Blue Angel" and Johnny Burnette's "You're Sixteen" are both on London American Label Year By Year 1960.
Roy Orbison's "In Dreams" is on London American Label Year By Year 1963.
The Kingston Trio's "Reverend Mr. Black" is on the original made in Japan (but also sold in the US) pressing of The Very Best Of The Kingston Trio.
Louis Armstrong's "Hello Dolly" is on London American Label Year By Year 1964.
Gerry & The Pacemakers' "Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying" is on You'll Never Walk Alone - The EMI Years.
Peter & Gordon's "I Go To Pieces" is on Original Hits.
Freddie & The Dreamers' "I'm Telling You Now" is on Ultimate Collection.
The Association's "Along Comes Mary" and "Everything That Touches You" are on The Complete Warner Brothers And Valiant Singles.
Petula Clark's "My Love", "I Couldn't Live Without Your Love", and "Don't Sleep In The Subway" are on the French E.P. collection. It also contains the mono LP version of "This Is My Song".
The Hollies' "Stop, Stop, Stop" is on the expanded edition of For Certain Because.
Jackie DeShannon's "Put A Little Love In Your Heart" is on Keep Me In Mind - The Complete Imperial Singles.
There are two Gene Pitney Top Tens, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" and "I'm Gonna Be Strong" which are available in mono digitally.
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Aaron,
If you would grant me access, I would appreciate it.
For 1960 I could not find the following 45's on CD in their original mono domestically. If you know of where they are internationally (if at all) kindly share.
Elvis- Are You Lonesome Tonight?
Everly Brothers-Cathy's Clown
Elvis- Stuck On You
Connie Francis- My Heart Has A Mind of Its Own
Connie Francis-Everybody's Somebody's Fool
Brian Hyland- Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polkadot Bikini
Floyd Cramer-Last Date
Sam Cooke- Chain Gang
Roy Orbison- Only The Lonely
Jimmy Jones- Good Timin'
Johnny Horton- Sink The Bismark
Jeanne Black-He'll Have To Stay
Brenda Lee- Sweet Nothin's
Dina Washington- Baby (You've Got What It Takes)
Lolita-Sailor You Home is the Sea
Browns-The Old Lamlighter
Brenda Lee-That's All You Gotta Do
Conway Twitty-Lonely Blue Boy
Connie Francis-Many Years Ago
Ray Peterson-Tell Laura I Love Her
The Everly Brothers- So Sad (To Watch A Good Love Go Bad)
Brook Benton-Kiddio
Brook Benton- A Rockin Good Way
Bob Luman-Let's Think About Living
Steve Lawrence-Footsteps
The Platters-Harbor Lights
John Burnette-You're Sixteen
Connie Francis-Mama
Steve Lawrence-Pretty Blue Eyes
Roy Orbison-Blue Angel
Little Dippers-Forever
Neil Sedaka-Stairway to Heaven
Ferrante & Teicher- Theme from the Apartment
Anita Bryant- In My Little Corner of the World
The sheet needs to incorporate a radio edit for El Paso which is entirely mono, which I have. Unsure of what CD it came off of, might have been an import.
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I agree Paul C that as long as it was released at all then it will not be included in the list. However it must be the 45 at the correct running time in order to qualify. Too often you see times that don't match the 45 but they are in mono, so keep that in mind.
Now I have no idea without looking but the 1968 and 1969 years did the stereo releases of the 45's also have mono releases of the 45's too (The Doors Hello I Love You for instance released a 45 in stereo if I recall in 1968 but I dont think there was a mono release).
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The sample on Amazon of "Don't Let The Sun Catch You
Crying" plays stereo.
I found "Stop Stop Stop" in mono on At Abbey Road 1963-
1966
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As Yah Shure knows, haha, I often turn to him for mono
sources for 1960s songs. This list would be invaluable for
me. I agree, the mono mixes often are much better than the
stereo version.
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Not necessarily from the 1960's top 10, but I'm
searching for clean MONO versions of the following Frank
Sinatra songs and have been for quite some time. I'm not
sure if the MONO LPs match the MONO 45 versions:
Fly Me To The Moon
It Was A Very Good Year
Luck Be A Lady
My Way
Softly As I Leave You
That Old Black Magic
The Best Is Yet To Come
The Last Dance
The Way You Look Tonight
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Paul C wrote:
| I would suggest that the discussion be limited to non-U.S. releases, so that we don't copy information from Pat's copyrighted database. |
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I do appreciate your consideration of protecting the information in Pat's database, and that is definitely not the intention of creating the list. The database includes tens of thousands of CDs, whereas the proposed list will include just the top 10 hits and only one known CD source (preferably the most common and/or best sounding one) for each if it exists. It would not be copying information from the database.
Furthermore, the database is not searchable by mono or stereo, nor can you search based on chart positions. In other words, you can't just run a search for top 10 hits in mono and copy and paste the data. Besides, I think most of the people interested in this list 1) already subscribe to the database, and/or 2) already own a good number of the CDs that would make it onto our list. Arguably, this is not much different than when Ron gives us the run down on all the CDs he has for a particular 45 version and his recommendation on the sound quality. He doesn't copy this info from the database, yet the info is in there (minus the sound quality recommendation).
As a side note, for anyone who currently does not subscribe to Pat's database, it is an invaluable resource, and I highly recommend buying a subscription.
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PopArchivist wrote:
Aaron,
If you would grant me access, I would appreciate it.
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Please send me a PM with the email address you use to access Google's services. Thanks!
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Paul C wrote:
| Petula Clark's "My Love", "I Couldn't Live Without Your Love", and "Don't Sleep In The Subway" are on the French E.P. collection. It also contains the mono LP version of "This Is My Song". |
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These tracks are also available in mono on The Most of Petula Clark (EMI Australasia), which is likely a cheaper option for most than the EP box set.
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This track is available in mono on the UK CDs The Best of Brenda Lee (MCA) and The EP Collection (See For Miles). Both were released in 1995.
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Just saw this thread. PopArchivist, I have many of those
songs on your list in mono on CD. I'll try to post the
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Would love access too, Aaron.
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Cool! I'll add you as soon as I'm back at my computer. It's not letting me
do it from my phone.
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