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The CD "Playlist: The Very Best Of Exposé" has a
version of this song that runs 3:50 and it's labelled
as "Single Version". Right next to that is a notation
that says "Previously Unreleased In US". So my
question is, how can this be a "Single Version" if it
wasn't previously available in the US? Do they mean
previously unavailable on CD in the US (meaning only
previously available on 45 and Cassette only)? Was it
the Single Version in another country that is finally
seeing a US CD release?
After checking Discogs, it doesn't appear that there
was a 45 in the US for the song. There was a Cassette
Single, for which no running times are listed, a CD
Maxi-Single, which has the 4:06 Album Version as the
lead-off track, and a 12" Vinyl Single. There's also a
promo CD Single (ASCD-2466), which I have. Tracks are:
1. Single Version (listed 3:54)
2. Album Version (listed 4:06)
So I'm confused as to what the "Official" single
version is. Does anyone have the Cassette Single and
can confirm the song's running time? If it's true that
the 3:50 went unreleased until the Playlist CD came
out a few years ago, that would lead me to think that
the Album Version was on the commercial Cassette
Single. Also, maybe they meant to put the 3:50 on the
commercial single, but put the 4:06 by mistake? Any
help would be greatly appreciated with this, so I can
know what label to apply to which version.
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There's a Japanese mini cd single
https://www.discogs.com/i-wish-the-phone-would-
ring/release/8002285
DISCoveries cd sampler vol 2
https://www.discogs.com/discoveries-cd-sampler-vol-
ii/release/3088898
It's also on this Australasia release
https://www.discogs.com/i-wish-the-phone-would-
ring/release/6160093
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thecdguy wrote:
The CD "Playlist: The Very Best Of Exposé" has a
version of this song that runs 3:50 and it's labelled
as "Single Version". Right next to that is a notation
that says "Previously Unreleased In US". So my
question is, how can this be a "Single Version" if it
wasn't previously available in the US? Do they mean
previously unavailable on CD in the US (meaning only
previously available on 45 and Cassette only)? Was it
the Single Version in another country that is finally
seeing a US CD release?
After checking Discogs, it doesn't appear that there
was a 45 in the US for the song. There was a Cassette
Single, for which no running times are listed, a CD
Maxi-Single, which has the 4:06 Album Version as the
lead-off track, and a 12" Vinyl Single. There's also a
promo CD Single (ASCD-2466), which I have. Tracks are:
1. Single Version (listed 3:54)
2. Album Version (listed 4:06)
So I'm confused as to what the "Official" single
version is. Does anyone have the Cassette Single and
can confirm the song's running time? If it's true that
the 3:50 went unreleased until the Playlist CD came
out a few years ago, that would lead me to think that
the Album Version was on the commercial Cassette
Single. Also, maybe they meant to put the 3:50 on the
commercial single, but put the 4:06 by mistake? Any
help would be greatly appreciated with this, so I can
know what label to apply to which version. |
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You're overthinking it. The Single Version was indeed never released commercially in the U.S. It was available on the promo single, but not on the commercial single. The Album Version was included on the commercial single.
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Then it should read “previously unavailable in the US”.....if it was
distributed to radio stations as a promo, then it was certainly “released”
as far as i’m concerned...
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[/QUOTE]
You're overthinking it. The Single Version was indeed
never released commercially in the U.S. It was
available on the promo single, but not on the
commercial single. The Album Version was included on
the commercial single. [/QUOTE]
Sorry if I'm overthinking the subject, but as a
collector, I like to know what version of a song I
have when I add it to my collection. Collecting
singles was/is a passion of mine, so therefore I'm
going to be a little bit more obsessive about it
compared to the average music fan, I guess. I do
appreciate your confirmation of the commercial single
version, so thank you for that.
So basically, the label of "Single Version" for the
song is incorrect. A more accurate description would
be, "Promo Single Edit" or something to that extent.
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A few other observations about the "Playlist" CD:
"Your Baby Never Looked Good In Blue" - Labeled as "7' Version", but so far I can't tell any differences between it and the Album Version.
"I'll Never Get Over You (Getting Over Me)" - Same situation as above.
"As Long As I Can Dream" - I inquired about the running time of the commercial single on another thread, but no answer so far. It's labeled as "Single Version", but assuming the Album and Single Versions are the same, this would be another incorrect label. Running time is 4:27, so this is likely the Promo Edit.
"In Walked Love" - No specific version indicated, but the running time is 4:36, which is around 15 seconds less than the Album Version. This is also most likely the Promo Edit, unless someone can confirm the running time on the commercial single.
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Regarding "In Walked Love," the version on ASCD-2665 runs an actual 4:35.
In the '90s, there are several instances of promo CD singles labeling a song Single Version, 7" Edit, etc., even when that version wasn't released commercially on any singles or there wasn't ever a 7" pressed up. As I'm sure you've figured out by now, the Expose Playlist CD is referring to the actual version called "Single Version" from the promo CD. I do agree that "previously unreleased" was a poor choice of marketing hype on their part, given that technically it was released in the US but only promotionally.
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thecdguy wrote:
| "Your Baby Never Looked Good In Blue" - Labeled as "7' Version", but so far I can't tell any differences between it and the Album Version. |
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I started a new thread on this, as there are quite a few mix differences between the single and LP mixes.
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thecdguy wrote:
Sorry if I'm overthinking the subject, but as a
collector, I like to know what version of a song I
have when I add it to my collection. Collecting
singles was/is a passion of mine, so therefore I'm
going to be a little bit more obsessive about it
compared to the average music fan, I guess. I do
appreciate your confirmation of the commercial single
version, so thank you for that.
So basically, the label of "Single Version" for the
song is incorrect. A more accurate description would
be, "Promo Single Edit" or something to that extent.
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Why would it be incorrect? There are a Single Version and an Album Version. Whether a particularly mix was released commercially or not, it doesn't negate their existence. The single versions of Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover and Two Princes were included on the promo singles but not on the commercial CD singles. As a long time collector, you must know that as the 90s progressed a lot of commercial singles included 'Album Version' s instead of 'Single Version' s.
By your logic, the single version of Alanis Morrissette's You Oughta Know would be the Live Version, as it was that mix that was released commercially as a double-A side with Ironic.
Michaeldila wrote:
Then it should read “previously unavailable in the US”.....if it was
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Released has always meant 'commercially released' (that's literally the meaning of the word). If it was promoted by the label but not commercially released, then it was promoted not released. There are thousands of singles / albums that were promoted but never released commercially.
Otherwise, "The Black Album" was released in 1987 simply because of the promo copies Warner Bros. sent out.
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Loveland wrote:
| Released has always meant 'commercially released' (that's literally the meaning of the word). If it was promoted by the label but not commercially released, then it was promoted not released. |
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I see your point. I think sometimes us collectors use the phrase "released promotionally," even if it's technically an oxymoron. Google the phrase "released promotionally," and thousands of results will come up, as it is often used. That's where the confusion comes in with the Expose CD description, as the Single Version was "released promotionally" in the US.
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aaronk wrote:
| I see your point. I think sometimes us collectors use the phrase "released promotionally," even if it's technically an oxymoron. Google the phrase "released promotionally," and thousands of results will come up, as it is often used. That's where the confusion comes in with the Expose CD description, as the Single Version was "released promotionally" in the US. |
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That is true, I've seen it myself. Released promotionally is indeed an oxymoron. The way I see it is... a lot of people say 'conversating' and 'literally' when they actually mean 'figurately'. It doesn't make it right. That is one of my biggest pet peeves, people using 'literally' all the time. "It literally blew my mind off". Oy.
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[QUOTE]Why would it be incorrect? There are a Single
Version and an Album Version. Whether a particularly
mix was released commercially or not, it doesn't
negate their existence. The single versions of Damn I
Wish I Was Your Lover and Two Princes were included on
the promo singles but not on the commercial CD
singles. As a long time collector, you must know that
as the 90s progressed a lot of commercial singles
included 'Album Version' s instead of 'Single Version'
s. [QUOTE]
It's incorrect in the sense that it gives people the
impression that if they were to seek out a copy of the
commercial single themselves, that that's the version
they'd be getting (meaning the 3:50 version, when in
fact they'd be getting the 4:06 album version). That's
why I said it would be more accurate to call it a
"Promo Single Edit", since it only appears on a promo
single. If
"released" means "released commercially", that would
give all the more reason to say the 4:06 version is
the correct single version.
[QUOTE] By your logic, the single version of Alanis
Morrissette's You Oughta Know would be the Live
Version, as it was that mix that was released
commercially as a double-A side with Ironic. [QUOTE]
Nope, not at all. To me, there is no single version of
that song in the US since it wasn't released
commercially. The versions on the promo CD singles are
just that - promo versions. The live version is what
it is - a live B-Side. That's far from being an
official single version. Plus, the live version was
the B-Side of "You Learn" in the US, not "Ironic",
unless you were referring to the configurations of the
"Ironic" single in the UK and France, where it was one
of the B-Sides of their singles.
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[QUOTE]Released has always meant 'commercially released' (that's
literally the
meaning of the word)[QUOTE]
Does it literally mean that? So all of the unearthed “bonus tracks” from
the vaults that often surface on reissues or deluxe editions that have
never before been heard by anyone in the public, are as equally
“unreleased” as a song promoted to radio stations? If not, what should
they be termed...”unreleased and unpromoted”?
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