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paul haney,
need a little help here....the pop annual book has the
jordan smith song 'mary did you know?' as the 86th
ranked
song for 2015, peaking on 12-26-2015....according to
the
billboard website it peaked at number 24 on 1-2-2016
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following week) for one week only....so it should be
the
number 107 song for 2016.....your thoughts?
here's the link to billboard
https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2016-01-02
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i have more questions regarding the 2016 pop annual, but
we should take them one at a time....
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Those Pop Annuals shunt all Xmas titles that peak after Dec 31st to the
proceeding calendar year to reflect the proper Holiday time frame. A little
confusing and date-inaccurate, but I understand the policy.
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that's at least a proper explanation, inaccurate, but
understandable.....was this what Whitburn decided
unilaterally or was there some deliberation over it?
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New Kids On The Block's "This One's For The Children" is another example of this. It's listed as peaking at #7 in December 1989, but didn't actually reach #7 until the first week in January 1990. I'm guessing its designation as a Christmas song is solely because of its inclusion on their Christmas album, but if you really listen to the lyrics, the word "Christmas" is never actually used and there's really nothing to indicate that they're singing about anything referring to the holidays.
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Yeah, the New Kids song is not a Xmas tune, but was heavily promoted as one,
late in the fall of 1989. Honestly, despite the parent album, it could've been
released at any point in the year.
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edtop40 wrote:
that's at least a proper explanation,
inaccurate, but understandable.....was this what Whitburn
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There was plenty of discussion about it among the staff,
but at the end of the day, it was Joel's decision.
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jebsib wrote:
Yeah, the New Kids song is not a Xmas
tune, but was heavily promoted as one, late in the fall of
1989. Honestly, despite the parent album, it could've
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Agreed. Again, Joel has the final say on these matters.
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Paul,
Going forward with xmas hits charting and peaking in January and then recharting again in the same calendar year in December how will the pop annual look for 2019 for example? Will it include both times the song peaked in the hot 100 or the highest peak?
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I've been wondering that myself. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mariah Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" peak at #3 in the first week in January of 2019, before dropping off and re-entering and going to #1 in December? If so, I imagine if Joel continues to list the Christmas hits peaking in January as peaking in December in the Pop Annual books, that Mariah would be listed in 2018 as peaking at #3, and #1 in 2019.
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thecdguy wrote:
I've been wondering that myself.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mariah
Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" peak at #3 in
the first week in January of 2019, before dropping off
and re-entering and going to #1 in December? If so, I
imagine if Joel continues to list the Christmas hits
peaking in January as peaking in December in the Pop
Annual books, that Mariah would be listed in 2018 as
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That is correct. When I enter the information in our
database, I enter the actual date. However, we have an
"alternate peak date" field for those Xmas hits, in order
to keep them in December.
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Now that the same Christmas songs return annually to
the charts, how many times will they be included in an
artist's chart history in any Record Research
publication? For example, will Mariah's "All..." be
listed in each year that it charted on the Hot 100 or
just once with a No. 1 peak in 2019 with the Weeks On
Chart reflecting all the years the song appeared on
the Hot 100? Since the Hot 100 is now a song, not
record, chart, I would think the latter is more
appropriate. I recall older Hot Country Songs books
listed the same Christmas song in every year that it
charted which I felt inflated the number of chart
entries and points of artists that were more popular
from the '90's forward.
With even nonseasonal songs and albums returning to
the charts, has Record Research considered adding a
peak date column in addition to the Chart Entry date
for both its songs and albums books? Most of these
songs sadly return when an artist passes as most
recently shown by Kenny Rogers on Hot Country Songs.
But, albums will often chart higher than when
originally released. For example, "The Very Best Of
Donna Summer" and "Whitney - The Greatest Hits" both
returned to the Billboard 200 and surpassed their
original peaks when released after both artists passed
away. Online discounts also used to create new peaks
as it did for hits collections by Phil Collins and the
Bee Gees.
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In the most recent edition of Top Pop Singles (1955-2018),
we have combined the multiple seasonal re-entries. We
show just the first entry and combine the peak position
and total weeks charted. We highlight the yearly stats in
title trivia.
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Top Pop Singles 2018 does it right (given the current re-entry behavior
patterns)
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Thanks, Paul. Do current or future Albums books also
note the peak year if it is not the first entry or
following year? Using my earlier example, Whitney's
album was released in 2000, but peaked in 2012. How, if
at all, does the Pop Albums book indicate this?
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Scanner wrote:
Thanks, Paul. Do current or future
Albums books also
note the peak year if it is not the first entry or
following year? Using my earlier example, Whitney's
album was released in 2000, but peaked in 2012. How, if
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Because catalog albums can now re-renter the Top 200 at
any time, we just update the peak position and weeks
charted as necessary. We don't show peak dates in that
book, so there's really no way to tell what year it truly
peaked in.
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Have you guys ever considered peak dates in your singles books, or is
it too much info to display?
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jebsib wrote:
Have you guys ever considered peak dates
in your singles books, or is it too much info to display?
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We've always kept the peak dates exclusive to our Annual
books. I suppose they COULD be shown, but not sure how
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I do get that; I wonder though whether the time is coming when peak dates
make almost more sense. We are no longer in the Casey American Top 40 age
when chart runs are linear and easy to decipher based on debut week.
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