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Posted: 29 September 2020 at 7:58pm \| IP Logged

I embarked on an interesting project these last 3-4 weeks to see if 1990 could be assembled all digitally without the need for any vinyl dubs. Originally I chose to start with 1989, the second year promo CD's were readily available (and even more so than 1988). While some might say this was an easy answer, until you actually assemble all 388 songs and find all the US promo edits, 45 versions and mixes the answer might not be as easy as "yes."

What inspired me to do this crazy OCD assembly? The same thing that drives most of us. We all want to recapture our youth and this era of music helps us do that. Considering 1990 about 98 percent of all promos are on CD, there should not be an issue with assembly.

The results are in, it can be done! (with only 1 song having to be obtained from a digital source online) In my collection the U.S. released radio edit generally supersedes the 45 version.

Some observations about 1990 which are contained in other discussion posts but touched on here:

1990 was probably the last year there were no clean or explicit versions. If I missed something let me know, but I could not find any. 1988 and 1989 had some clean/explicit tracks.

Radio Edits - There are 64 shorter edits on the Hot 100 of available 45/7 inch versions for 1990. There were approximately 18 songs that required the promo 1990 CD's that had radio edits that were not available on any other compact discs.

Here is the list:

Winger - Can't Get Enough [Edit] 3:31 CD Promo
Troop - All I Do Is Think Of You [Edit] 3:52 CD Promo
Skyy - Real Love [45 version] 3:52
ZZ Top - Doubleback [Edit] 2:45 CD Promo
Caron Wheeler - Livin' In The Light 4:20 CD Promo
Howard Hewett - Show Me 3:50 CD Promo
TKA - I Won't Give Up On You [Edit] 4:05 CD Promo
Bad English - Heaven Is A Four Letter Word [Edit] 4:12
Vixen - Love Is A Killer 4:08 [Edit] CD Promo
A'Me Lorain - Follow My Heartbeat [Radio Mix] 3:43, CD promo
Inner City - What'cha Gonna Do With My Lovin' [Edit With Sax] 3:55 CD Promo
The London Quireboys - I Don't Love You Anymore [Radio Edit] 4:24
Electric Boys - All Lips N Hips 3:40
Glenn Medeiros - Me-U=Blue [Remix] 4:10, Me-U=Blue 4:11 Promo CD
Loverboy - Too Hot [Edit] 3:30 CD Promo
Soul II Soul - A Dream's A Dream 3:35 CD Promo
Alice Cooper - Only My Heart Talkin [Edit] 3:54 CD Promo
Whitesnake - Now You're Gone [Remix] 4:12 CD promo

Some versions that got airplay that are also on CD and available on promo CD's

Roxette - Dangerous (Several mixes, A/C, 7 Inch) that got airplay
B-52's - Roam (Radio Mix)
Stevie B- Love and Emotion (Hot Radio Edit]
Don Henley-The Heart Of The Matter [AC Mix}, [Edit Remix]
Jane Child - Dont Want To Fall In Love [Remix/Edit]
Seduction - Two To Make It Right 7 inch Original
NKOTB - Tonight [Remix]
Tesla - Love Song [Rock Edit]

Fun observations:

Now, to the part everyone has been curious about.

Yvonne - There's A Party Going On - Not on a promo Cd or actual comp CD that is the 7 Inch Radio Mix. Only available through using its extended mix via digital download. The edit had to be created from that by Aaron. So if you were trying to assemble this year, the 12 inch vinyl or the digital download for this song are your only options available.

All 388 files on the Hot 100 peak at 19937 or more (Only All Lips N Hips (19937) and The Girl I Used To Know (20067) are below 20300). Since there was no such thing as mp3 back in 1990, that's to be expected. I did not do this alone, numerous other people had assembled like Ron and Chuck a good chunk of the Hot 100 for the year so I was working off of their hard work to fill in the gaps and find out what they missed. Many people helped find released versions, thanks to you all!

If anyone has anything I missed, please let me know. I look forward to everyone's comments and if there is something out there that I forgot to include.

Edited by PopArchivist on 30 September 2020 at 6:29am

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Posted: 01 October 2020 at 1:56am \| IP Logged

Richie,

"All 388 files on the Hot 100 peak at 19937 or more (Only All Lips N Hips (19937) and The Girl I Used To Know (20067) are below 20300)."

What are these 5 digit numbers you refer to? I guess I missed something along the way!

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"Radio Edits - There are 64 shorter edits on the Hot 100 of available 45/7 inch versions for 1990. "

As for these (besides the 18 you list above), are you saying they eventually came out on an artist's Greatest Hits CD (e.g. Chicago, Michael Bolton), Rhino comps, etc.?

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Posted: 01 October 2020 at 2:04pm \| IP Logged

EdisonLite wrote:

That's spectral analysis. Basically a true lossless file contains a spectral level at 20500 or above.

A 320 bit rate mp3 for instance would peak at about 19000
Then you go down to 18000 for a 256mp3 and 17000 for a 224mp3 etc.

Generally files that are true lossless can peak as high as 21900. Depending on mastering though anything pre-1995 that was on a CD promo from 1987 onward would be CD quality, even if the level was around 20000.

Generally

EdisonLite wrote:

Also:

"Radio Edits - There are 64 shorter edits on the Hot 100 of available 45/7 inch versions for 1990. "

As for these (besides the 18 you list above), are you saying they eventually came out on an artist's Greatest Hits CD (e.g. Chicago, Michael Bolton), Rhino comps, etc.?

The 18 listed above are edits and are pretty much only found on the promo CD and generally do not exist on any comp domestically. That means the label didnt issue it anywhere else, so the promo CD is the definitive place to get that edit or version. That includes Rhino, Greatest Hits etc. All sources were tapped. Promos have the LP version which often can be found on other CD's

The shorter edits were available on promos or 7 inch promos and the edits were on the promo cd's. The 45's were the longer edits and usually available on the album release.

Edited by PopArchivist on 01 October 2020 at 2:09pm

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Posted: 01 October 2020 at 3:07pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for the explanation of those 5 digit numbers, Richie. I didn't realize you were talking about spectral analysis. Mark M did a test with me when we're talking on the phone one time. I don't remember the technical details of how we did it, but through subtracting a 16k mp3 of a song from the same song's CD counterpart, we'd get a file where what remained was the difference, the high frequencies that were only on the CD and not the 16k mp3. I could hear that file clearly (i.e. the music above 16k). But then we did something like compare an 18k file and a 20k file (of one particular song). When I listened back to the remaining result, I heard silence. I even turned it up and heard silence IIRC. So I can definitely hear the difference between a 16k mp3 and a CD. However, whether a CD source goes up to 18k or 20k or above it, my ears can't hear frequencies specifically way up there. And Mark said a lot of people can't, especially once in my age range or older (I'm in my 50's.) Mark M, did I get the gist of that correct?

So while I'm perfectly happy having a CD source that just goes to 20k, I'm pretty OK with 18k or 19k as well. (I may not be remembering my ears' exact "cut off" point. It may have been 19k, not 18k. But it certainly got to a point at some high number where my ears are not hearing those frequencies.)

That said, I never went to a ton of loud concerts as a kid, so I don't feel I have a loss of hearing per se. But I guess it's what it's supposed to be for someone my age.

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Posted: 01 October 2020 at 3:10pm \| IP Logged

Oh and Richie, as far as this other matter:

"Radio Edits - There are 64 shorter edits on the Hot 100 of available 45/7 inch versions for 1990. There were approximately 18 songs that required the promo 1990 CD's that had radio edits that were not available on any other compact discs."

I'm still not clear. You listed 18 that are only on the promo singles. What about the rest of the 64? Where can those be found on CD since they are "radio edits" (i.e. versions we heard on the radio, what we once used to think of as single versions)? Are they all songs that eventually became released on commercial CDs, like an artist's Greatest Hits?

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Posted: 01 October 2020 at 3:46pm \| IP Logged

EdisonLite wrote:

I'm still not clear. You listed 18 that are only on the promo singles. What about the rest of the 64? Where can those be found on CD since they are "radio edits" (i.e. versions we heard on the radio, what we once used to think of as single versions)? Are they all songs that eventually became released on commercial CDs, like an artist's Greatest Hits?

They are not the 45 or LP, but generally an edit sent to radio. Generally I exhaust all comps etc before turning to the CD promo from that time period. From 1990 on those promos usually contained either one track (which was either the LP version or an edit) or two tracks (the edit and LP version) or several tracks (remixes, dubs etc).

Generally if I could find the track on a comp, it originated off the promo. The 64 or so edits can all be found on the promos, but only 18 of those edits exist ONLY on the promo. The rest can be found on domestic or import compilations or even on certain download lossless sites. The point is that Hitmakers, Tuneup, TM Century etc etc issued comps at this time that incorporated these hits or at least most of them.

So when I list those 18 those are ones that appear nowhere else but the CD promo (we are taking about digitally, not 45's or promo 45's). Pretty much most of 1990 can be found on CD, including LP version, where 1989 had more use of promo singles because not everything made it to a CD single at the time.

Hope that clarifies.

Edited by PopArchivist on 01 October 2020 at 3:49pm

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Posted: 02 October 2020 at 2:22am \| IP Logged

Yes it does. Thanks Richie.

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