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Many singles that have been released from films through the
years have noted the movie's title on the single's label.
Some film names are obviously part of the song title such as
"Theme from "Mahogany" (Do You Know Where You're Going To)"
or "Love Theme From "A Star Is Born" (Evergreen)." Others
are less obvious noting the film after the song's title in a
smaller font and/or parenthesized. For songs such as those,
when is the film's title part of the song's title?
Edited by Scanner on 29 October 2022 at 5:12pm
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If the title starts with "Theme From ______" and then puts the song name in parentheses after it, then I include the whole thing. If the title starts with the song name and then puts the "Theme From ______" in parentheses after it, then I omit it, because it's basically just advertising, to catch the eye of someone who sees the 45 on the shelf at the record store or in a jukebox listing.
Similar tricks were common in the pre-Internet age of being able to quickly look up detailed information about an artist or song, such as adding "Mr." or "Miss" to someone with an unusual or non-gender-specific name (Mr. Acker Bilk, Miss Toni Fisher, etc.). Or, adding virtually the entire chorus of the song to the title, just in case it might help to jog someone's memory from hearing it and not knowing the exact title ("Sweet Caroline (Good Times Never Seemed So Good)", "Rhiannon (Will You Never Win)", etc.).
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Discographers, DJs, and collectors are free to make up their own standards for such things. Consistency is elusive.
I'd argue that the canonical song title is known only to the songwriter(s) and copyright owner, i.e. the publisher of the sheet music. But what the physical sheet music (if it exists) says isn't the absolute truth, either, since is also marketed to consumers; it can have ambiguous annotations like the records do.
I would just look up the song in a P.R.O. repertoire database (e.g. Songview) and see what's there. Of course, I could second-guess whether this is entered and presented exactly as the songwriter intended, as well.
But for example, Songview says:
• "Theme from "Mahogany" (Do You Know Where You're Going To)" - listed as just "Do You Know Where You're Going To".
• "Love Theme from 'A Star is Born' (Evergreen)" - listed as just "Evergreen".
• "Don't You (Forget About Me)"- listed as "Don't You Forget About Me".
• "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" - listed as "Everything I Do I Do It for You".
• "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" - listed as just "Satisfaction".
• "Sweet Dreams (are Made of This)" - listed as just "Sweet Dreams".
• "Major Tom (Coming Home)" - listed as just "Major Tom".
I mean, you can kinda predict it. If the questionable part would be a sensible song title on its own, that probably really is the way the song is registered.
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mjb50 wrote:
But for example, Songview says:
• "Theme from "Mahogany" (Do You Know Where You're Going To)" - listed as just "Do You Know Where You're Going To".
• "Love Theme from 'A Star is Born' (Evergreen)" - listed as just "Evergreen".
• "Don't You (Forget About Me)"- listed as "Don't You Forget About Me".
• "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" - listed as "Everything I Do I Do It for You".
• "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" - listed as just "Satisfaction".
• "Sweet Dreams (are Made of This)" - listed as just "Sweet Dreams".
• "Major Tom (Coming Home)" - listed as just "Major Tom".
I mean, you can kinda predict it. If the questionable part would be a sensible song title on its own, that probably really is the way
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I agree with most of the above, with the exception of the Diana Ross song. I don't know anyone who referred to it as anything but
Theme From Mahogany.
I will admit to being a bit inconsistent in this regard in my own personal database as far as parenthesis go, though I do try to be
consistent within a given song.
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...and for me, I go to discogs or 45cat and look at the first pressing of the single label in the United States, ideally the promo since I figure this is what they wanted it called on the air. :-D
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NightAire wrote:
...and for me, I go to discogs or 45cat and look at
the first pressing of the single label in the United States, ideally the
promo since I figure this is what they wanted it called on the air. :-
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I would agree with you, although I'm sure some adjustments would
probably be made. Should the hit single by Vangelis be listed as
"Titles"? Or perhaps "Chariots of Fire -Titles"?
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I use Record Research books for how I show titles. I let
them figure it out.
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Barbra Streisand has released many singles which made me
wonder whether to include or exclude the "From..." from
the song title. There were two singles for which the song
title was secondary and parenthesized:
* Love Theme From "A Star Is Born" (Evergreen)
* Love Theme From "Eyes Of Laura Mars" (Prisoner)
But, in the 1980's, she did the opposite for songs that
originated on screen or stage:
* Memory - The Theme From Andrew Lloyd Webber's Musical
"Cats"
* Somewhere (From "West Side Story")
* Send In The Clowns (From "A Little Night Music")
* All I Ask Of You (From "The Phantom Of The Opera")
* Till I Loved You (The Love Theme From Goya)
The song titles are clear - "Prisoner" was actually
released a year prior by the LA Jets. But, what about the
record or single?
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Using some of the examples here, here's how I've listed
these songs in my own library.
Diana Ross - Theme From Mahogany (Do You Know Where
You're Going To)
Barbra Streisand - Evergreen (Love Theme From ''A Star Is
Born'')
Simple Minds - Don't You (Forget About Me)
Bryan Adams - (Everything I Do) I Do It For You [Single
Version]
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Peter Schilling - Major Tom (Coming Home) [Single
Version]
Rolling Stones - (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Vangelis - Chariots of Fire-Titles [Single Version]
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Archives Guy wrote:
I use Record
Research books for how I show titles. I
let
them figure it out. |
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Same here
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