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What is the difference between Billboard's Pop Airplay (a 40 position chart)
& their Radio Songs chart (a top 50)? Which radio station genres are
included or excluded, making them differ?
Also as for the BDS (Broadcast Data Systems) charts - which parallel the
Billboard charts - I believe their "Mainstream Top 40" chart is equivalent to
Billboard's Pop Airplay chart, right?
Also, it seems the BDS charts are no longer at the same links (maybe
they're now for pay only - or just completely gone?) But if they still exist,
does anyone have the new links? They were quite cool as they had
Canadian charts (etc.) which were not on Billboard online (I think).
My subscription to Billboard digital expires in a week or 2. I barely ever use
it because each week I'd go to the BDS charts to check the ones important
to me. I wasn't going to renew Billboard but if it's the only way to see all
these charts online, I'll probably renew on Cyber Monday (it's cheaper than
even Black Friday, at least it was last year).
Edited by EdisonLite on 13 November 2022 at 12:55pm
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Gordon,
I went to bdsradio.com/#/login and there was a notice that
BDS has partnered with Mediabase and that Mediabase now
powers the airplay data in the U.S. and Canada. All BDS
products have been shut down.
If you're interested in the Mediabase charts, you can
access them through allaccess.com but you do have to sign
up for a free account.
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EdisonLite
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John, thanks for the fast response. But when I went to the website, it only
allows the option to login, not sign up. I tried on both safari and google
chrome. Same results. Anyone know how I can sign up for Mediabase charts? I
looked at the list of charts. It looks really good and at first glance, probably all
the same charts.
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This should be what you're looking for.
https://www.allaccess.com/register
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Once you're registered, look for the Mediabase tab and the
dropdown song charts.
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I'm able to access the Mediabase charts here without
having to log in or sign up:
https://www2.mediabase.com/mbapp/Account/Login?
ReturnUrl=%2Fmbapp%2F
As for Billboard's Canadian airplay charts, even though I
don't see them anywhere as I attempt to navigate through
Billboard.com, I'm somehow able to access them via these
links:
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-ac/
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-all-format-
airplay/
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-chr-top-40/
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-country/
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-hot-ac/
https://www.billboard.com/charts/canada-rock/
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This one I used from time to time but it only has info on
the Hot100 & Top200:
https://billboard.elpee.jp/
Just in case it might be useful for any of you:)
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Here are 4 charts I found by googling. You don't have to log in.
Hot AC
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?
format=A2R
AC
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?
format=A1R
Top 40
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?
format=H1R
Alternative
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/fmqb/charts.asp?format=5
But I can't find a main list - and I wasn't able to sign up, btw. The email that
was supposed to be sent to me never arrived in my inbox or spam mail.
Can anyone give me the links for charts for dance/electronic related?
Also - if anyone can tell me exactly how these 2 differ - Billboard's Pop
Airplay (a 40 position chart)
& their Radio Songs chart (a top 50)
Is the top 50 one also on mediadatabase?
I know Broadcast data systems and Billboard use different names for the
same chart because one is more industry related and the other more
consumer related. Like Mainstream on one is Top 40 on the other. And Hot
AC on one is Adult Top 40 on the other. Or at least that's how it used to be.
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cristianmdp wrote:
This one I used from time to time but it only has info on
the Hot100 & Top200:
https://billboard.elpee.jp/
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I'll probably use that for the Hot 100. On my phone, the Billboard Hot 100 is
almost unreadable (from the Billboard app). Something many of us have
discussed here before. And they haven't even fixed the issue in all this time.
It's a little better on a computer screen but still has issues.
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I just noticed Mediabase's Hot AC chart doesn't match Billboard's Adult Pop
Airplay chart. For instance, on one, Jax's "Victoria's Secret" has been #7 for
2 weeks, and the other it's been #8 for 2 weeks. I thought these 2 charts
were the same.
Also, the regular AC charts don't line up between the two. I thought maybe
one chart was one week behind the other but that's not the case.
So I'm guessing BDS/Mediabase's Top 40 chart doesn't line up with
Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 or Radio Songs (Top 50). What's the
situation here?
I like to keep a list of of peak positions of all my favorite songs but these
slight differences are starting to make my head spin :)
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EdisonLite wrote:
Also - if anyone can tell me exactly how these 2 differ -
Billboard's Pop
Airplay (a 40 position chart)
& their Radio Songs chart (a top 50)
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The Pop Airplay charts tracts airplay strictly on "Top
40" radio stations and is basically what used to be
called "Mainstream Top 40".
Radio Songs combines airplay from ALL formats into a
single chart. It amounts to being the airplay component
of the Hot 100. As far as I know, there's no Mediabase
equivalent out there.
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EdisonLite wrote:
I just noticed Mediabase's Hot AC
chart doesn't match Billboard's Adult Pop
Airplay chart. For instance, on one, Jax's "Victoria's
Secret" has been #7 for
2 weeks, and the other it's been #8 for 2 weeks. I
thought these 2 charts
were the same.
Also, the regular AC charts don't line up between the
two. I thought maybe
one chart was one week behind the other but that's not
the case.
So I'm guessing BDS/Mediabase's Top 40 chart doesn't line
up with
Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 or Radio Songs (Top 50).
What's the
situation here?
I like to keep a list of of peak positions of all my
favorite songs but these
slight differences are starting to make my head spin :)
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Mediabase uses different recurrent rules than BDS did.
The main difference is that nothing is removed from the
chart before it drops out of the top 10. As such, songs
like "Heat Waves" and "Stay" had much longer chart runs
there than in Billboard. ("Stay" just dropped off at the
end of October.)
I also read that, even after the merging of BDS and
Mediabase, Billboard would control which stations they
would follow for which format. So it's possible that the
two charts might never line up exactly.
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JMD1961 wrote:
The Pop Airplay charts tracts airplay strictly on "Top
40" radio stations and is basically what used to be
called "Mainstream Top 40".
Radio Songs combines airplay from ALL formats into a
single chart. It amounts to being the airplay component
of the Hot 100. As far as I know, there's no Mediabase
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This is correct; however, I believe the "Mainstream Top
40" chart was compiled by plays and the multi-format
"Radio Songs" chart was compiled by audience impressions
(taking into account ratings as to potential audience
reach).
Not sure if I am correct - maybe Paul Haney could chime
in when he gets a chance?
However, it's an academic point now that BDS has been
phased out.
Andy
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From billboard.com:
Data and insights company Luminate, which provides
data for Billboard’s charts, has partnered with airplay
monitoring service Mediabase, and the latter’s radio
tracking data will begin fueling Billboard surveys
reflecting airplay activity dated Nov. 12.
Luminate previously provided radio data for Billboard
airplay charts as monitored by BDS.
Airplay charts (based on audience and/or plays) finalized
Monday, Nov. 7 (dated Nov. 12), will be the first using
Mediabase data. Individual-format airplay charts dated
Nov. 12 will reflect airplay tracked Monday, Oct. 31,
through Sunday, Nov. 6. The Nov. 12-dated Radio Songs
chart, which serves as the airplay chart component to the
all-genre, multi-metric Billboard Hot 100 (which also
blends streaming and sales data, as compiled by
Luminate), and reflects a Friday-Thursday cycle, will
incorporate BDS data for Oct. 28-30 and Mediabase data
for Oct. 31-Nov. 3 (with Mediabase data to power Radio
Songs thereafter).
Billboard will continue to maintain unique charts and
reporter panels, separate from Mediabase’s, for all
formats. Upon the change, Billboard will continue to
incorporate all current reporting stations that are also
monitored by Mediabase for Billboard’s charts. Billboard
and Mediabase aim to add additional reporting stations
going forward.
Meanwhile, weekly and year-end Billboard charts will
continue to be compiled via the same parameters
previously applied with BDS data. (Year-end airplay
rankings will continue to reflect songs’ activity while
on corresponding weekly charts.)
Along with Radio Songs, Billboard’s United States-based
airplay charts encompass: Pop Airplay (Mainstream Top
40); Adult Pop Airplay (Adult Top 40); Adult
Contemporary; Country Airplay; Rock & Alternative
Airplay; Alternative Airplay; Adult Alternative Airplay
(Triple A); Mainstream Rock Airplay; R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay;
Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay; Adult R&B Airplay; Rap
Airplay; Rhythmic Airplay; Latin Airplay; Regional
Mexican Airplay; Latin Pop Airplay; Latin Rhythm Airplay;
Tropical Airplay; Christian Airplay; Christian AC
Airplay; Gospel Airplay; Dance/Mix Show Airplay; Smooth
Jazz Airplay; and the seasonal Holiday Airplay chart.
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I've been looking at the Mediabase charts for the past month - and oddly, they
get updated daily it seems. So it's hard to really know a peak position for a
whole week. Is there any rendition of Mediabase that gives the weekly peaks?
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart or compare it to BDS (or any chart)
when a peak position can literally mean it was just there for one day? I'm
hoping there's an equivalent chart for each genre that gives weekly peaks.
More like BDS.
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EdisonLite wrote:
I've been looking at the Mediabase
charts for the past month - and oddly, they
get updated daily it seems. So it's hard to really know a
peak position for a
whole week. Is there any rendition of Mediabase that
gives the weekly peaks?
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart or compare it to
BDS (or any chart)
when a peak position can literally mean it was just there
for one day? I'm
hoping there's an equivalent chart for each genre that
gives weekly peaks.
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I just go to allaccess.com, navigate to Mediabase charts,
then hit the "Published" tab. Weekly charts are updated
Monday Morning (cue up the Fleetwood Mac B-side that
could have been a big hit...)
Andy
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Edison -
The Mediabase CHR chart (Mainstream / Pop chart) DO have official weekly
peaks. These are always the polished & tallied charts that are generated on
Sunday nights (Might not be for the next 2 weeks due to Christmas & New
Years falling on Sunday)...
I don't know where these are officially posted, but you can always see them on
the Pulse Music Messageboard site. Go to Pulse Music proboards CHR/Pop
thread and find the "Mediabase CHR/Pop Top 50 - part 3" thread
it's updated every day - just scroll to the last Sunday evening post - always
very clearly posted with color codes and such. This chart is what directly
compares with Billboard's Pop Songs every week.
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OK, thanks guys!
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JMD1961 wrote:
Mediabase uses different recurrent rules than BDS did.
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The current #1 song on Billboard's country airplay chart is
"You Proof" by Morgan Wallen, which isn't even on the
Mediabase country chart any more.
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EdisonLite
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
Weekly charts are updated
Monday Morning (cue up the Fleetwood Mac B-side that
could have been a big hit...)
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I agree that "Monday Morning" could have and should have been a hit. In fact,
somewhere in my incorrect memory, I thought it was an A-side single in the US
right before "Over My Head", which obviously became their first big hit. But at
least according to wikipedia and 45cat.com, which I just checked, it was never
an A-side single. Maybe it was just played as an early, album cut on the
pop/rock station I listened to in Boston, WBZ-FM. They were quite rock leaning
for a top 40 pop station.
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