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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2020 at 10:21am
In my DJ library, it's the actual edit. But, I
agree, probably the botched edit on the radio.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Haney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2020 at 11:05am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

I'd be surprised if you were hearing the
actual promo edit. The stations here play the
botched TM Century edit.


What does the botched edit sound like???
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The intro is crossfaded between the instrumental opening and the first
verse.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Haney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2020 at 4:52am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

The intro is crossfaded between the
instrumental opening and the first
verse.


Thanks! I'll have to listen more closely next time it
comes on the radio.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 hours 17 minutes ago at 11:10am
At some point, the original mix of "Sledgehammer" was swapped out for the video remix on digital versions of So and a couple of his hits compilations. I was surprised to hear this when streaming the song on Spotify. The most notable difference is the added synthesizer that appears from 3:17 to 3:37. Unlike the video, though, this has the full LP performance and fade out at the end, rather than the percussion from the Extended Dance Remix.

Although it's very subtle, this remix is different from start to finish. There are slightly different reverb/echo effects on one of the synths throughout, so it's not just a case of overdubs at the 3:17 mark.

On Spotify, the album is labeled as 2012 Remaster, but this is not true. I have a rip of the CD 2012 remaster, and it's not the video remix on the CD version.

Anyhow, it's pretty cool to have this remix in perfect sound quality after all these years.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mjb50 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6 hours 34 minutes ago at 3:53am
Originally posted by peterpyser peterpyser wrote:

The 7'' version of Sledgehammer can be found on this cd single:
https://www.discogs.com/Peter-Gabriel-Blood-Of-Eden/release/1870212
The actual timing is 5:01 even if it's listed as 4:53 on the back cover.


That's not the 7" version. It's the LP version with the first 7½ seconds removed.

Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

pretty cool to have this remix in perfect sound quality after all these years

I'm confused. Are you saying this mix was released previously?

These are the versions I have:
• album version
• promo 7" version
• 7" version = early fade (with long tail) of album version
• video version
• Extended Version
• Dance Mix
• version released 1990 = Shaking The Tree edit of video version, plus unique sound at end
• version released digitally c. 2020s, mislabeled "2012 remaster" = unique mix with similarities to video version (the one you just posted about; I went and grabbed it just now)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 49 minutes ago at 8:38am
To clarify, the version released digitally in place of the original LP version is the full, unedited remix used in the music video. It's not just similar--it is the exact mix.

For the music video, they started with this remix, made two edits (one during the second chorus and the other just before the fade out), and then segued into the ending of the Extended Dance Remix. The segue has one beat of unique audio where the word "night" overlaps the percussion ending. You can hear that it's not crossfaded, as all the instrumentation drops out except one guitar in the left channel.

Technically Shaking The Tree is not an edit of the video version, because it uses the LP mix and a different segue at the end (as well as the reverbed ending).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote davidlg1971 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 10 minutes ago at 9:17am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

On Spotify, the album is labeled as 2012 Remaster, but this is not true.
Yes - in fact I discovered this too a few years back. As far as I can tell, this mix first showed up on the 2002 remaster of So. I was looking for a non-compressed source of the LP version to recreate the promo version. (Spoiler alert: I ended up using the original So CD.)

I have a copy of the 2002 remaster from the Japanese So mini-LP CD. When I tried using that to recreate the promo, I realized the mix was different. I then checked my copy of the Shaking The Tree remaster CD, and sure enough - it seems all the 2002 "remasters" use some version of this mix. I posted on the Steve Hoffman forums to find an answer to this. The relevant bit:

Originally posted by davidlg1971 davidlg1971 wrote:

Turns out those extra synths have made their way into several masters credited to Tony Cousins. The ones I've found so far:

- the 2002 So remaster
- the 2002 Shaking The Tree remaster (though extra synths aside, it's otherwise true to the 1990 version)
- the 2016 So digital remaster

You can hear the 2016 master on Spotify, though it's labelled as the 2012 remaster
I found it odd that Sledgehammer has had a different mix on various discs and platforms for years, but no one noticed. Perhaps because the variations are fairly subtle?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 57 minutes ago at 9:30am
Originally posted by davidlg1971 davidlg1971 wrote:

Yes - in fact I discovered this too a few years back. As far as I can tell, this mix first showed up on the 2002 remaster of So. I found it odd that Sledgehammer has had a different mix on various discs and platforms for years, but no one noticed. Perhaps because the variations are fairly subtle?

Great info! I also just discovered that this remix was used for the 2003 compilation Hit.

I've updated the database about the 2002 remasters.

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As this thread has unfolded, I'll add that the 2002 remaster of Shaking The Tree is closer to the video version but still not an exact match. It does use the video remix, but it's missing the flute intro, not edited like the video, and still uses the same segue and ending like the 1990 non-remastered CD.
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