Elton John - Nikita
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Topic: Elton John - Nikita
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Elton John - Nikita
Date Posted: 19 June 2005 at 1:22pm
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I've got a copy of this track that runs 4:07, while Pat's book states that DJ copies of "Nikita" run 3:59. I'm guessing I either have an unsuccesful attempt at re-creating the DJ edit, or the label of the DJ 45 is incorrectly timed. Can anyone with the DJ 45 please let me know if it actually runs 3:59?
It may also be a case that I have the DJ edit, but it's not faded out soon enough. At the end of the song on my CD, the line that repeats "Counting ten tin soldiers in a row" first starts at 3:33 and repeats to the fade out at 4:07. Does this match up? |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 June 2005 at 3:46pm
| A friend of mine has the DJ 45... The actual run time is 4:07. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 8:05pm
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Pat:
It appears the database was never updated with Aaron's info regarding the short DJ 45 edit of Elton John's "Nikita" where the actual run time is 4:07, not 3:59 as stated on the record label. One other minor note... The database also presently notes that commercial copies are all 4:54. This is probably an instance where the time is based on what is printed on the record label because abagon reports the actual run time at 4:52. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 9:21pm
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For those wondering, the short DJ 45 is one simple edit.
Keep 00:00-03:01.129 Delete 03:01.129-04:35.429 Keep 4:35.429 to the end. Resulting file runs 4:07. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 06 September 2008 at 9:30pm
| Todd: I believe commercial copies run 5:42. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 6:50am
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I have the 7" promo copy of this; one side is shown as 4:54 (U.K edit) the other side as 3:59 (U.S. edit). I also have a 12" promo; one side has the 4:54 U.K. edit, the other side is 5:42 (LP version). All timings are as listed on the label.
From what I recall there was an instrumental bridge that was on the U.K. & LP versions that was edited from the "U.S. edit". The LP version is similar to the U.K. edit, only with a longer intro (and maybe longer fade). IIRC, the U.K. edit was what was on the "To Be Continued" box set. I don't have a copy of the commercial 45. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 8:40am
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BTW, source file I used was from Greatest Hits 1970-2002. Edit from just before the drumbeat where Elton sings "Nikita I Need You So..." at 3:01 to the same at 4:34.
I like dem easy edits! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 3:49pm
No... Unless you have a different commercial 45 pressing, John, the correct 45 time is 4:52. You may be confusing the 5:42 time with the LP version length. |
eriejwg wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 September 2008 at 3:53pm
| Yes, correct, 5:42 is the LP, as my edit points for the DJ edit indicate. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 24 February 2010 at 11:59pm
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I'm not doing something right here.
I started with the LP version. I took out 0:05 - 0:16. I took out 2:48 - 3:10. I took out 4:37 - 4:48. At this point, I had created the single edit (with perhaps a bit too long of a fade at the end). When I then try to take out 3:01 - 4:35, editing at the down-beat before "...need you so..." I actually take 2:35 to 3:47... ...resulting in a BIZARRE jump in volume, and a file only 3:48 in length, & that's with some un-trimmed silence at the end. Are you telling me the short DJ edit DOESN'T edit the intro? I'm really scratching my head on this one. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 12:04am
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FOLLOW-UP: going back to the full-length album version, your edit point works perfectly.
That's the 1st time I can remember a shorter edit leaving more of the intro! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 October 2011 at 9:59am
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Having a little difficulty recreating the US commercial 45 from the album version. It sounds like there are just four (4) beats, or about 2-1/4 seconds of audio, in the 45 version that aren't in the LP version.
First, my 45 is Geffen 7-28800, printed 4:54 (no designation of LP version, edit, or anything like that), actual 4:53, 86.6 BPM before 2:50, 86.4 BPM after 2:50. The matrix number has a "B" scratched out and an "A" written after. (Same as one side of the promo 45? Hmmm.) I chose to use the LP version from the To Be Continued box set. My very old notes indicate that the version on GH 1976-1986 is a differently EQ'd digital clone of both To Be Continued and GH 3, for what it's worth. All three sound good. The To Be Continued version runs 5:42, 86.6 BPM before 3:40, 86.5 BPM after 3:40. Here are editing instructions that will get you really, really close to the commercial 45 version: Keep the first 8 beats from 0:00.0 to 0:06.0. Edit on downbeat. Remove the 16 beats from 0:06.0 to 0:17.1. Keep the 235 beats from 0:17.1 to 2:59.9. Edit on the snare at the repeat of the words "hold you". Remove the 32 beats from 2:59.9 to 3:22.0. You'll pick up with the repeat of the words "oh no". Keep the 153 beats from 3:22.0 to 5:08.1. Edit on the downbeat right before the word "counting". Then there's a problem - the four beats that include the line "counting ten tin soldiers in a r...", downbeat-to-downbeat, aren't in the LP version. You can hear it most clearly in the bassline, which is playing more notes on the 45 during the end of the 4-beat passage. The corresponding 4-beat passage should be in the LP version either from 5:08.1 to 5:10.9, or from 5:19.2 to 5:22.0, but it's not. Actually, the 4-beat portion from 5:08.1 to 5:10.9 is repeated at 5:19.2 to 5:22.0 (you can line them up, invert one and get digital cancellation!), which is a nuisance. Unless you're a stickler for having the proper bass notes, you can use either 5:08.1 to 5:10.9 or 5:19.2 to 5:22.0 here, since they're the same, and they're pretty close to what ended up in the 45. For reference, the 4-beat portion in the 45 that's not in the LP is from 4:34.9 to 4:37.7 of my 45. Assuming that you've gotten past the 4-beat issue (either by ignoring the extra bass notes that are missing from the LP version or by grabbing the audio from the 45)... Keep 5:22.0 to 5:43.9 (end) of the LP version. This portion starts on the downbeat in the middle of the word "row". The tail of the 45 ends about 8 beats before the corresponding point in the LP version, so if those 6 seconds are important, fade to a point that's exactly 4 beats after the crash cymbal that's hit with a snare. Your mixdown will have edits at 0:06.0, 2:48.8, 4:34.9 and 4:37.7, with a fade that ends around 4:53. It will also use 4 beats of incorrect audio from 4:34.9 to 4:37.7. |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 24 March 2025 at 4:32pm
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Hey guys, I'm looking for the LP Edit (I think). It's
4:09 minutes long and only has an edit at 3:26. That is, the difference between the LP edit and the LP version is that it only has that edit from 3:26 to 4:49. It removes the entire instrumental part up to George Michael's first scream, which, by the way, is a very abrupt cut. I think it's an attempt at making a 45. That's why I think this version was made by TM Century, but I can't confirm it. Does anyone have or hear about this version? I heard it on a local FM station and tried to make a recording of it. The quality is very poor, by the way, but if anyone wants to hear it, I'll send it to you. ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: ptgraphics
Date Posted: 24 March 2025 at 5:52pm
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I haver this cd set:
https://www.discogs.com/release/5062248-Elton-John-The-Songs -Of-Elton- John-Bernie-Taupin-1974-1993 Roon times Nikita at 4:11. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 11:05am
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The commercial 45 version running 4:52 is on this 4-track
CD issued in the UK in 1988: https://www.discogs.com/release/1508995-Elton-John-Nikita |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 11:16am
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When Brian and I worked on compiling Elton's singles, I seem to recall him also saying the US 45 version cannot be edited from the LP (confimed above by Ron). I believe this is because both the LP and 45 versions were edited down from a longer take. The US promo 45 can be edited from the LP, though. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 11:52am
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I think the version I'm looking for was made by TM Century,
with a long intro and a cut from 3:26 to 4:49, cutting out the entire instrumental part. edit 4:09 ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 12:05pm
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The US promo 45 version is basically the same as what TM Century issued, but TM put the edit in the wrong place. The true US promo 45 removes 3:01 to 4:35. Attempting to replicate this, TM accidentally removed 3:07 to 4:41, which is not correct. The end result is close, but the section from 3:01 to 3:06 of the TM version differs from the US promo version slightly due the missed edit point. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 12:09pm
Can you send me the wrong version of TM Century? Thanks. ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 March 2025 at 12:12pm
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Check your PM. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: kaqueno
Date Posted: 27 March 2025 at 4:26am
Clarifying some information and shedding light on my query, I want to tell you that the home-edited version I was looking for is included on the CD "Elton John - The Songs of Elton John - Bernie Taupin 1974-1993" (promo), which Pat (ptgraphics) very kindly sent me. Thanks for the collaboration, Pat and Aaron. I think this edit version is made for this compilation, but I can't confirm it. ------------- Marcelo - Argentina https://www.mixcloud.com/marcelo-guzman4/ - https://www.discogs.com/user/kaqueno/collection |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 March 2025 at 7:39am
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You're exactly right. I just found a copy of this song from the Bernie Taupin promo on my hard drive (didn't know I had it), and it matches the version you heard on Aspen FM. It was likely created for this comp, as it does not match the US promo 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |