https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 02 May 2026 19:29:07 +0000 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:17:14 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1073 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15526&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15526 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1073
Posted: 19 April 2008 at 6:17pm

Hykker, there were at least a few more to come. This period was toward the end of the red label's run, so it is entirely possible that the print stock of white labels for the promos may have been depleted by that point, assuming that the logos were pre-printed. But the promo-on-stock-label practice continued even with the redesigned 1967 logo. Some of the Lucky Elevens also fell during this period.

While the Seger single below gives a preview of things to come, the Gingold record takes more than a giant step backwards (ditto for its B-side, "I've Got The Rudy Vallee Blues.") Exactly what were they smokin' in the A & R office? Love the "(we think)" disclaimer.

          ]]> Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:17:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15526&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15526 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15523&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15523 Author: Hykker
Subject: 1073
Posted: 19 April 2008 at 3:59pm

Interesting that all your promo copies are the red stock label with "not for sale" printed. Every C-P promo I've ever seen was white label with the exception of the C-P distributed Lucky 11 label (Terry Knight & Pack) which were the stock green label with promo info added.]]> Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:59:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15523&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15523 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15521&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15521 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1073
Posted: 19 April 2008 at 12:45pm

I didn't like "96 Tears" quite enough to buy as a current, but loved the follow-up, "I Need Somebody." So I bought the "stereo" 96 Tears LP. The pressing defects and the rechanneling prompted me to return it in exchange for the "I Need Somebody" 45 and a couple of others. A few months later, I bought the "96 Tears" 45, which had already transitioned to the new Cameo label by then (left, below, the one Tom mentioned above.) I was later given the used Cameo copy on the right.




Tom, while I only have the above two variations of "96 Tears," I'll cite a couple examples of the varying copyright dates from another Cameo 45 that followed it by a few months. "Harlem Shuffle" was a big regional hit in the Plains states and the Upper Midwest by The Fabulous Flippers, a Lawrence, Kansas group that constantly toured the entire region. "Harlem Shuffle," like "96 Tears," was a regional master picked up by Cameo. And it, too, produced a confusing variety of label and sonic variations. The four copies I have are all different in some way or another.

There were two versions of "Harlem Shuffle:" A pseudo-"live" version that was the airplay hit, and a studio version that was an entirely different recording. Pictured below are two promo variations of the "live" version. The Monarch pressing on the left bears a "Copyright 1960" notation, with no mention of Parkway. The song title is on the top, with the group name at the bottom. The more-typical Cameo pressing on the right has the title and artist positions swapped, and has "Copyright 1963 Cameo-Parkway Records, Inc." at the bottom. Both of these "live" versions show "Harlem Shuffle" as the B-side, with C-439-B in the dead wax.



The copy on the left below looks similar to the one on the right above, but "Harlem Shuffle" is now the A-side on the label, and the publishers have flip-flopped. This is the studio version, as is the Columbia-pressed stock copy on the right below... which still has "Shuffle" listed as the B-side. Both of these copies carry the 1963 copyright date, and both show C-439-B-2R in the dead wax.



So it looks like the "96 Tears" fiasco was not an isolated case. I agree with Bill's statement that Cameo wasn't very well-run after the label's 1965 sale. Couple that cluelessness with product being farmed out to several different pressing plants, and the result is chaos (and discussion board fodder 40-plus years later.) :) ]]> Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:45:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15521&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15521 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15516&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15516 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 1073
Posted: 19 April 2008 at 1:45am

BillCahill wrote: This is a tough one for me to figure out. My two Cameo copies sound totally different. Of course, one could be a bootleg. It doesn't LOOK like a bootleg but it wouldn't surprise me. Copy 1 has a copyright date of 1963 on the label (Cameo didn't bother to print new labels each year) and is written by Randy Martinez. The sound on it is the highest quality I've ever heard for the song, as if it came straight from a master. I believe future pressings including the album versions compressed it a little more to cover up all his mike pops, which were strong enough to knock some needles out of the grooves. Copy 2 has a copyright date of 1960 on the label and is written by the Mysterians. (As all future ABCKO reissues said). The quality is not so great and it could be a boot. Sounds like the more compressed full length version faded early. It has the full length time (2:54) on the label but fades out at 2:40. Maybe somebody else has more definitive infomation. Anyway, I would suspect there are many boots, and possibly slightly different speeds here and there depending on the pressing plant. We all know that Cameo wasn't the best run company, especially by 1966..

I find it odd that what I assume is the first version, lists a 1963 copyright date on the label while the 2nd later issue shows a 1960 copyright date?

I recently came into posession of a copy of this 45 with the last Cameo Parkway label style with the red and orange, it runs 2:40 (Label states 2:38), credits The Mysterians as the writers, no copyright date on the label, but is definitely an original pressing, with bell sound and audio matrix stamped in the trail out area. ]]> Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:45:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=15516&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#15516 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=9260&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#9260 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 1073
Posted: 17 March 2007 at 4:53pm

No it's Rudy not Randy.. typo]]> Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:53:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=9260&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#9260 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=9216&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#9216 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 1073
Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:43pm

Pat:

Since it appears the 45 pressings of "96 Tears" running 2:40 are an early fade of the 2:56 length, I'm wondering if the Abkco CD appearances in the database running 2:55-2:56 should contain the comment: (LP and long 45 length). What do you think?

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:43:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=9216&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#9216 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7738&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7738 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1073
Posted: 29 October 2006 at 8:20pm

Hi Bill,

Did it actually say 'Randy Martinez' or *Rudy* Martinez?

If the 45 is handy could you re-check it for me?

Andy]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7738&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7738 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7725&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7725 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 1073
Posted: 29 October 2006 at 2:35pm

Both copies fade at 2:40]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:35:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7725&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7725 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7721&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7721 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 1073
Posted: 29 October 2006 at 2:23pm

BillCahill wrote: Copy 1 has a copyright date of 1963 on the label (Cameo didn't bother to print new labels each year) and is written by Randy Martinez.

Is Copy 1 the full-length album version?]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:23:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7721&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7721 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7711&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7711 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 1073
Posted: 29 October 2006 at 6:49am

(Correction) 2:53 not 2:54. Typo.]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:49:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073&PID=7711&title=the-mysterians-96-tears#7711