https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 06 May 2026 07:42:45 +0000 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 07:45:55 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1109 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53935&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53935 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1109
Posted: 02 April 2020 at 7:45am

To Bill Cahill:

Yes, the Rhino issue was the left channel spread monaurally to the left & right channels - I don't believe that ever reached the public before the 'Have A Nice Day' issue. I'm pretty sure it was a conscious decision (as the mild stereo is somewhat weird & shifting) as opposed to a mastering error.

Andy]]> Thu, 02 Apr 2020 07:45:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53935&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53935 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53934&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53934 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 1109
Posted: 02 April 2020 at 7:27am

I can add to Pat's 2006 response that I have the same info that he does plus these:

Commercial copy Lionel 3213 - label states (4:05) but actually runs (4:01) matrix number 70L1634-1. The label states "B side". This
was from the library of 1490 WCVA Culpeper VA which somebody sold to a retailer where I picked it up. The Program Director crossed off
the title of the A side, and marked the B side to play.

DJ Copy Lionel 3213 - Double "A" side, "Signs" in stereo on both sides. Same length on both. label states (3:20) but actually runs
(3:25) matrix number 70L1634-1. Which is odd because that's the same matrix of the original B side issue. The length matches one of
Pat's commercial copies. The printed label is incorrect, says 70-L-1638, which is the matrix for the B side. So that's another mistake.

Speaking of stereo, it's the same narrow stereo on all issues (and edits) with reverb shooting to the right channel on some
instruments, with some copies adding a lot more clipping than others. But I can't find a mono issue of this song anywhere on vinyl.
Does anyone have one? If there isn't one, what the Rhino mono issue may be is the left channel only, which is why some instruments are
"dry" verses the stereo issue. Unless there was a mono mix with the dry instruments that I've never found.



Edited by Bill Cahill]]> Thu, 02 Apr 2020 07:27:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53934&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53934 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53881&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53881 Author: garye
Subject: 1109
Posted: 28 March 2020 at 7:45pm

When I purchased the single in 1971 it was the 4:05
version and that was the version WCOL AM played.
However 2 weeks later a friend purchased a 3:05 single
and suddenly WCOL started playing both versions (short
during the day, long version at night) so long version
was commercially available as well as short version!
Go figure!]]> Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:45:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53881&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53881 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53871&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53871 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 1109
Posted: 28 March 2020 at 12:05pm

My preference is the shorter stereo 3:02 version. It may be barely stereo, but I'm a big fan of "the shorter the better." The live cover by Tesla that was a hit two decades later is practically the same length as the original 3:02 edit with the same short intro.]]> Sat, 28 Mar 2020 12:05:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53871&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53871 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53869&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53869 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1109
Posted: 28 March 2020 at 11:48am

For some reason, I revisited this song in my music library
today. So, would you now consider the 4:01 LP version to
be the version everyone knows or the 3:25 or 3:02
versions? Granted, it doesn't get any airplay on the radio
anymore and not sure which version Sirius plays.]]> Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:48:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=53869&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#53869 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6092&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6092 Author: sriv94
Subject: 1109
Posted: 08 July 2006 at 9:07am

edtop40 wrote: it has a real bad/abrupt edit at the 1:30 mark

OK, now I'm confused (again, not working with vinyl here, so I'm at a little disadvantage). I have three versions of this song on CD--a (3:02) version from the Rebound Class Reunion 1971 CD, the (3:27) version from the Rhino Have A Nice Decade box, and the (4:05) version from several sources (assuming that it's the LP version).

Ed mentions a bad/abrupt edit at (1:30) on his single. The (3:02) version I have runs faster than the other two versions, strips out the opening 23 seconds and fades early (a la the (3:27) version). But I don't hear any abrupt edit on that version. So is the (3:02) version on the Rebound CD not the correct short 45 version? (Could also be a skip or something.)

Edited by sriv94]]> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:07:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6092&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6092 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6089&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6089 Author: edtop40
Subject: 1109
Posted: 07 July 2006 at 7:37pm

my commercial copy is the first one.......

1) commercial copy Lionel 3213 - label states (3:20) but actually runs (3:02) matrix number 70L1634. The label states "A side".

it has a real bad/abrupt edit at the 1:30 mark


Edited by edtop40]]> Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:37:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6089&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6089 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6030&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6030 Author: jimct
Subject: 1109
Posted: 04 July 2006 at 7:53am

Gary Mack wrote: 6) dj copy Lionel 3213 - label states (4:05) but actually runs (4:01) matrix number 70L1634-4. The label states "B side".

Pat, I think the only (4:01) 45 version Gary has confirmed is on a promo 45, not a commercial 45. But a commerical 45 of it is certainly possible.

Edited by jimct]]> Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:53:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6030&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6030 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6028&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6028 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 1109
Posted: 04 July 2006 at 4:55am

The only unresolved issue at the moment seems to be was there a commercial 45 pressing that runs (4:01)? Can anyone help answer this question?]]> Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:55:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6028&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6028 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6024&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6024 Author: jimct
Subject: 1109
Posted: 03 July 2006 at 9:36pm

Guys: I have learned something new today. Turns out BOTH my DJ copies of "Signs" skip repeatedly around the same point in the last :30-:40 seconds, prohibiting me from getting and noting accurate timings previously (and still). Until tonight, I was ALWAYS under the impression that the "long" intro was the tip-off to the (4:05) LP version, as a long-owned reprint 45 of "Signs" I have has an :03-ish intro before the vocal. I assumed ALL the (3:20) and (3:25) versions had that short intro. Thanks to Pat, I now know differently. My MGM promo deadwax (listed time 4:05) is K14182 70L1634-1, same as Pat's Lionel commercial 45. So, if my 45 would've played through, it must run (3:25). My Lionel promo deadwax has the EXACT same info, but scratches out the K14182 part, since that was MGM catalog info, also listing a time of (4:05). I'm sure that must also run (3:25). I could tell tonight, by how close to the end of the grooves both 45s got before skipping, that they wouldn't have reached the (4:05) mark. Obviously, an usually large amount of different 45 configurations have made their way around for this one. I apologize for my incorrect statements - I didn't note the skipping problems on the Post-It notes I attach to each 45 I own. But hey, thanks to our "Early-70's-DJ-Ace-In-The-Hole", Gary Mack, we now know that a (4:00+) promo DID in fact, exist! I KNEW the one I remember hearing on the radio in '71 went that long! And, now I finally know that the long intro can STILL mean edit, and does NOT automatically mean (4:05)! Thanks guys, and again, my apologies for my mix-up.   ]]> Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:36:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1109&PID=6024&title=five-man-electrical-bandsigns#6024