Top 40 Music on CD Forum : Raydio-"Jack And Jill" https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:22:59 +0000 Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:44:04 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1670 <![CDATA[Top 40 Music on CD Forum]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : Hi guys,Brand new member of the...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=67320&title=raydiojack-and-jill#67320 Author: JackSB
Subject: 1670
Posted: 28 September 2025 at 6:44pm

Hi guys,

Brand new member of the forum - glad to be here.

I've just checked both - 100 All Time Classic Dance Hits Of The 1970s (Connoisseur Collection – DHOS CD100, 1988, UK) and Ray Parker Jr. – Playlist: The Very Best Of Ray Parker Jr. (Arista – 88883773472, Legacy – 88883773472, 2014, US). Both of these use the same edit (Single Edit is used as a descriptor on Playlist).

This edit, from what I can tell, is the UK single edit and not the US single edit. Whilst both edits have the vocals start at 00:17, the UK single edit features a rather abrupt edit at 00:16, whilst the US single edit flows in smoothly to the first verse. Both of these edits are available on YouTube (the US label is a black Arista label/the UK label is a blue Arista label). I believe this would mean the US single edit is still MIA on CD. Both the UK and US 7" appear to fade out at the same time.

I am from the UK and specialise mostly in UK edits, so I'm always able to clear up some confusion to the best of my ability.
]]> Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:44:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=67320&title=raydiojack-and-jill#67320 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : Great detective work as always,...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43598&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43598 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 1670
Posted: 11 May 2015 at 2:33pm

Great detective work as always, guys...

Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

Time-Life did an early fade of the LP version, in attempt to match the printed 45 length...This early fade (which didn't exist on record when the song was a hit in 1978) is on:
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 20 1978 Take Two (1991)
  • Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 17 1978 (1997; digitally exactly 1.303 dB louder than Sounds)

While Pat DOES acknowledge the two different commercial 45 versions in his notes for this song in the db, I see he still hasn't added any descriptors next to any of the individual CDs, which we now know is necessary here. Clearly, he will need to add "(LP/long 45 version faded early in an unsuccessful attempt at re-creating the short 45 edit)" - or something to that effect - next to the two Time-Life CDs cited above...

Quote The 45 edit (on promo 45s and first pressings of the commercial 45) runs 3:39, and is uncommon on CD. It...may appear on Arista/Legacy's Playlist, although I can't confirm Playlist...

Ah, good observation. :-) Of course, the Playlist CD came out just a little over a year ago, in January of 2014 - long after the last post on this song here in March of '09, from abagon. I don't have the Playlist CD, either, but a check on-line reveals that Arista/Legacy DOES state "(single edit)" next to "Jack and Jill" on the back cover art of that CD - and along w/ Pat's confirmation in the db that the song has an actual time of (3:40) there, I'm also inclined to believe that they actually got it right on that one! So assuming that's true, Pat will need to add a descriptor next to that CD as well - perhaps "(this is the correct short 45 edit)"...

As an aside, I got to meet Ray (along w/ his bandmate/drummer, Ollie Brown, of '80s hit-making duo "Ollie & Jerry") after a show in 2009; he was promoting his then-latest album, I'm Free!. Great concert - they even did a portion of "Breakin'...There's No Stopping Us". :-) Both were very fan-friendly, and it was great to chat up Ray about some of his '70s & '80s hits for a few minutes...]]> Mon, 11 May 2015 14:33:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43598&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43598 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : Thanks for that. I did not know...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43592&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43592 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 1670
Posted: 10 May 2015 at 10:26pm

Thanks for that. I did not know that there were two
pressings of the 45, as I only have the second pressing
with the album version. I always figured the shorter
edit was a DJ promo. ]]> Sun, 10 May 2015 22:26:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43592&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43592 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : The LP version (also on second...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43589&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43589 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 1670
Posted: 10 May 2015 at 8:21pm

The LP version (also on second pressings of the commercial 45) runs 4:33 on the great-sounding Ray Parker Jr. Greatest Hits (Arista, 1993). It runs 106.3 BPM throughout (live drummer playing to a click track). This whole disc sounds great, with low-generation source tapes, plenty of dynamic range, fine EQ, and no traces of noise reduction. There are digital clones on:
  • Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 19 (1995; digitally identical)
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 17 Heart To Heart (1997; digitally exactly 2 dB quieter)
I have the LP versions on two Australian EMI multi-disc collections, both of which sound pretty bad and seem to use noise reduction:
  • EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 1 (1997)
  • EMI Australia's 5-CD Pop Complete (1999)
Time-Life did an early fade of the LP version, in attempt to match the printed 45 length. There are other instances of Time-Life fading the LP version early, rather than reproduce the true 45 edits, like Barry White's "It's Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next To Me". This early fade (which didn't exist on record when the song was a hit in 1978) is on:
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 20 1978 Take Two (1991)
  • Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 17 1978 (1997; digitally exactly 1.303 dB louder than Sounds)
The 45 edit (on promo 45s and first pressings of the commercial 45) runs 3:39, and is uncommon on CD. It's on Connoisseur Collection's 5-CD 100 Dance Hits Of The '70s (1988), which is a European collection. It also may appear on Arista/Legacy's Playlist, although I can't confirm Playlist. Here are editing instructions for recreating the 45 edit from the LP version, using the 1993 Greatest Hits as the source:

Segment 1
30 beats long
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:17.4 of the LP version and the 45 edit
Ends on a downbeat

Remove the 32 beats from 0:17.4 to 0:35.5 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Begins on a downbeat
Extends from 0:35.5 to 3:18.6 of the LP version
Extends from 0:17.4 to 3:00.5 of the 45 edit
Ends on a snare on the word "you"

Remove the 32 beats from 3:18.6 to 3:36.7 of the LP version.

Segment 3
Begins on a snare on the word "you"
Extends from 3:36.7 to 3:59.2 of the LP version
Extends from 3:00.5 to 3:23.1 of the 45 edit
Ends on a snare on the word "the"

Remove the 32 beats from 3:59.2 to 4:17.3 of the LP version.

Segment 4
Begins on a snare on the word "the"
Extends from 4:17.3 to 4:37.1 (end) of the LP version
Extends from 3:23.1 to 3:42.9 (end) of the 45 edit

Your mixdown will run 3:40 (excluding outro silence), or 3:42.9 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:17.4, 3:00.5 and 3:23.1.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Sun, 10 May 2015 20:21:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=43589&title=raydiojack-and-jill#43589 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : I have 2 commercial 45s of the...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=21522&title=raydiojack-and-jill#21522 Author: abagon
Subject: 1670
Posted: 10 March 2009 at 6:36am

I have 2 commercial 45s of the "Jack and Jill" (Arista AS 0283)
One has the actual running time (3:39), the listed time "3:29" matrix number "2480-S"
Another 45 has the actual running time (4:32), the listed time "3:29" matrix number "2480-S-2"

--abagon
]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:36:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=21522&title=raydiojack-and-jill#21522 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : gnj1958@sbcglob wrote: The...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10550&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10550 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 1670
Posted: 01 July 2007 at 2:39pm

Originally posted by gnj1958@sbcglob gnj1958@sbcglob wrote:



The short version is the same as the 45 I used to have back in the 70's. This was when I was still living in the UK. Whether the US 45 was different i.e longer, I don't know.
   
I know speculation is frowned on here, but it's possible that A)the U.K. single was edited, and/or B)there were two U.S. commercial pressings: one with the edit, and the other with the LP version, which I have.

The practice of issuing both an LP version and later, an edited version on a stock 45, was quite common in the 70s. Many times I have gotten irked by some edit appearing on a CD, only to find years later that the same edit was indeed issued on a commercial 45, even though I have a 45 with the LP length. This happened to me the other day when I discovered that the now-common short version of Cheryl Lynn's "Got To Be Real" was also issued on the commercial 45. At least now I don't get so upset anymore.

Edited by The Hits Man]]> Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:39:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10550&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10550 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : The Hits Man wrote:My original...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10544&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10544 Author: gnj1958@sbcglob
Subject: 1670
Posted: 01 July 2007 at 12:58am

Originally posted by The Hits Man The Hits Man wrote:

My original 45 and LP versions are exactly the same in every way.


Here is what I posted in another thread regarding this song.

I have Jack & Jill on three different CD's.

The Best of Ray Parker Jr & Raydio

Classic Soul

100 All Time Dance Hits of the 70's

The "Best of" version I assume is the album version which clocks in at 4:38. The two compilation versions are identical and both clock in at 3:39. The intro is shorter. The body of the song is the same then the last minute or so of the song is edited at various places bringing the oohs and aahh's and yeah yeah's closer together.

The short version is the same as the 45 I used to have back in the 70's. This was when I was still living in the UK. Whether the US 45 was different i.e longer, I don't know.]]> Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:58:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10544&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10544 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : gnj1958@sbcglob wrote:There&#039;s...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10542&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10542 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 1670
Posted: 30 June 2007 at 10:03pm

Originally posted by gnj1958@sbcglob gnj1958@sbcglob wrote:

There's a lot of difference's between the album version and the 45 version. One of my fave all time songs so I should know LOL. It is editable but not necessary as both version should be easily available.
My original 45 and LP versions are exactly the same in every way.]]> Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:03:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10542&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10542 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : I have the Sound Of The Seventies...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10460&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10460 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 1670
Posted: 25 June 2007 at 6:08pm

I have the Sound Of The Seventies - 1978 (Take 2) version. Wonder if someone at Time-Life tried to match the track to the length of the 45 version by fading it when they did.
Definitely, an unsuccessful attempt.]]> Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:08:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10460&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10460 <![CDATA[Raydio-"Jack And Jill" : There&#039;s a lot of difference&#039;s...]]> https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10413&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10413 Author: gnj1958@sbcglob
Subject: 1670
Posted: 23 June 2007 at 9:20pm

There's a lot of difference's between the album version and the 45 version. One of my fave all time songs so I should know LOL. It is editable but not necessary as both version should be easily available.]]> Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:20:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1670&PID=10413&title=raydiojack-and-jill#10413