https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 11 May 2026 11:26:36 +0000 Thu, 21 May 2020 08:35:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=178 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=54525&title=silver-convention-singles#54525 Author: aaronk
Subject: 178
Posted: 21 May 2020 at 8:35am

The database currently lists the 7+ minute versions of "Fly Robin Fly" and "Get Up And Boogie" as (remix) next to their respective CDs. Although I don't own the promo 12" singles, these songs did appear in "Disco" versions in their original release years.

Fly Robin Fly promo 12" (printed time 7:39)

Get Up And Boogie promo 12" (printed time 7:55)

I also have a 2-LP "Best Of" from 1978 that touts "Unedited Disco Versions Never Before Released..." and has the same printed times for those two tracks. The CDs containing the "remix" versions are very close in run times to the printed times of the 12" singles, so it may be worth investigating to see if what appears on the CDs is actually the promo 12" versions. I don't believe I own any of the CDs that Pat has labeled "remix," so I'm only bringing this up as a PSA :)

Edited by aaronk]]> Thu, 21 May 2020 08:35:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=54525&title=silver-convention-singles#54525 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46111&title=silver-convention-singles#46111 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 178
Posted: 25 August 2016 at 7:55pm

I found a needledrop of the short 45 version of "Get Up And Boogie". This needledrop starts at 104.7 BPM and ends at 104.5 BPM. That's an imperceptible drop in tempo from beginning to end, and is effectively indistinguishable from the 105.0 BPM of the CD versions.

So the CD versions run at the speed of the short 45 version, which I deem to be "correct". The long 45 version is "slow", according to me.]]> Thu, 25 Aug 2016 19:55:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46111&title=silver-convention-singles#46111 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46110&title=silver-convention-singles#46110 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 178
Posted: 25 August 2016 at 4:08am

FWIW, my local radio stations in the Twin Cities almost always played the shorter versions of both hits.]]> Thu, 25 Aug 2016 04:08:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46110&title=silver-convention-singles#46110 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46107&title=silver-convention-singles#46107 Author: Hykker
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 5:39pm

crapfromthepast wrote: (Edit: Hits Man correctly identified the label as Midland, not Windsong. I should not post from memory...)

Some time along the way, the label changed its name to
Midsong International, so he wasn't far off.
]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:39:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46107&title=silver-convention-singles#46107 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46106&title=silver-convention-singles#46106 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 2:42pm

crapfromthepast wrote: Which version was released first for both "Get Up And Boogie" and "Fly Robin Fly"? And which appear(s) on the promo vs. commercial 45s? Did radio ask Windsong for a shorter version back then?

Windsong? You mean John Denver appeared on both hits? ;) The label name wasn't changed from Midland International to Midsong International until well after both singles had run their courses. Midsong International was the label that appeared on the later reissue 45 in RCA's Gold Standard Series, with the short versions of both hits placed back to back, in stereo.

I'm sure radio requested a shorter version of "Boogie." I was a college station MD at the time, so we would have welcomed the opportunity to yap for an extra 75 seconds or so. ;) "Robin" had already provided programmers with a length option right from the get-go.

Here's the order in which the DJ 45s were issued, along with each side's matrix number:

Midland International 10339 initial DJ 45
"Fly, Robin, Fly" [stereo] 3:45 (MB-10339-A)
b/w
"Fly, Robin, Fly" [mono] 3:05 (MB-10339-C)


Midland International 10339 second DJ 45
"Fly, Robin, Fly (Long Version)" [stereo] 3:45 (MB-10339-A)
b/w
"Fly, Robin, Fly (Short Version)" [stereo] 3:05 (MB-10339-Z)

------

Midland International 10571 initial DJ 45
"Get Up And Boogie" [stereo] 4:05 (MB-10571-A)
b/w
"Get Up And Boogie" [mono] 4:05 (MB-10571-C)


Midland International 10571 second DJ 45
"Get Up And Boogie (That's Right)" [stereo] 2:47 (MB-10571-D)
b/w
"Get Up And Boogie (That's Right)" [mono] 2:47 (MB-10571-E)

Just to add to the confusion, the B-side of the first "Fly, Robin, Fly" stock pressings out of the chute was "Chains Of Love" (MB-10339-B matrix.) That was replaced on subsequent pressings by "Tiger Baby" (MB-10339-D.)

All of this proved to be a great boon to elementary education. Whenever kindergarten students questioned the need to learn their ABCs, their teachers needed only reply: "Because you may find yourselves working at an RCA pressing plant someday."    

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:42:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46106&title=silver-convention-singles#46106 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46105&title=silver-convention-singles#46105 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 2:00pm

The original U.S. label was Midland.    For "Fly Robin
Fly", the shortest version was usually played on the
radio, and the version I have on 45. In fact, my
commercial 45 is double-sided with the shorter version on
one side, and the longer on the other.

I have the same situation with "Get Up And Boogie".
However, in my area, the 4:00 version was played on the
radio.]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:00:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46105&title=silver-convention-singles#46105 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46104&title=silver-convention-singles#46104 Author: MMathews
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 1:55pm

eriejwg wrote: In my collection, I have a 320 bit rate mp3 that I created from The Disco Years, Vol. 7. I'm not sure if I recreated a "neither" or what I have, or where the edit(s) are, but it runs 3:05.

erie, you probably made the edit that Doug described
above, removing the section from about :43 - 1:21 of the
long 45. The resulting edit runs about 3:05. But that
result contains a "verse" from 1:47 - 2:16 that is not in
the actual short 45.

To clarify (I hope): after the instrumental break in the
middle of the song, the long 45 uses the verse from 2:28
- 2:57 of the LP before the ending break. But the short
45 uses the verse from 3:02 - 3:35 of the LP instead.

The difference you can hear is the in the short 45 there
are 2 electric piano "flourishes," one at 1:50 and and
another at 2:14 that you never hear in the long 45.
MM

Edited by MMathews]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:55:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46104&title=silver-convention-singles#46104 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46103&title=silver-convention-singles#46103 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 12:53pm

Yah Shure wrote: The actual title on the initial (long) DJ 45 ....

You bring up an interesting detail: Which version was released first for both "Get Up And Boogie" and "Fly Robin Fly"? And which appear(s) on the promo vs. commercial 45s? Did radio ask Windsong for a shorter version back then?

(Edit: Hits Man correctly identified the label as Midland, not Windsong. I should not post from memory...)

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:53:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46103&title=silver-convention-singles#46103 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46102&title=silver-convention-singles#46102 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 11:31am

Mark Matthews mentioned above you can't recreate the
short version of "Fly, Robin, Fly" from what's on CD.

In my collection, I have a 320 bit rate mp3 that I
created from The Disco Years, Vol. 7.

I'm not sure if I recreated a "neither" or what I have,
or where the edit(s) are, but it runs 3:05.]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:31:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46102&title=silver-convention-singles#46102 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=178&PID=46101&title=silver-convention-singles#46101 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 178
Posted: 24 August 2016 at 11:07am

The stereo side of the long DJ 45 I sent to Ron runs an actual 4:03, BTW.

The actual title on the initial (long) DJ 45 is simply "Get Up And Boogie," with no parenthetical addition. The extra "(That's Right)" was tacked onto the title of the subsequent short DJ 45. Longer title, shorter record.

Given that the gradual slowdown was likely due to a mastering error, should the long 45 be referred to as "Get Up And Boogie (That's Wrong)"?   ;)

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