https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 10 Apr 2026 00:29:07 +0000 Sun, 20 Jun 2021 04:54:09 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1895 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58426&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58426 Author: KentT
Subject: 1895
Posted: 20 June 2021 at 4:54am

Another note, the UK single on Island is full length. I
own this 45 as well as the USA Island 45.

Edited by KentT]]> Sun, 20 Jun 2021 04:54:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58426&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58426 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58333&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58333 Author: NightAire
Subject: 1895
Posted: 07 June 2021 at 9:26am

"I'm not losing it. Just a little slow on the uptake."

I'm getting a t-shirt made up with this slogan on it. It's how I'm going to explain myself to all people I meet now.

:-D]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2021 09:26:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58333&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58333 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58318&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58318 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 1895
Posted: 05 June 2021 at 6:47pm

Ah, I missed reading this in Ron's post above:

"The second is Rhino's Radio Daze Vol. 2 (1995). It runs 3:18 here, with a nice, untruncated tail to the fade. It has great dynamic range, nice EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction. I
believe that it uses a low-generation tape source, and I think it sounds significantly better than the K-Tel disc. Others in the group noticed that the song has a little tape drag starting
with the beginning of the guitar solo. That's true, but I hadn't noticed it until it was pointed out to me and I made measurements to confirm. (It's not nearly as bad as some of the early
masterings of "Le Freak", for example, which had some nausea-inducing tape drag.)"

And, I am also familiar with the tape drag in "Le Freak."

So, it appears I'm not losing it. Just a little slow on the uptake.

Thanks Andy and Ron!]]> Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:47:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58318&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58318 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58317&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58317 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1895
Posted: 05 June 2021 at 5:26pm

Generally Dave, There won't be any audible
differences with the ripping software you
use, but the two CDs you're comparing are
likely transfered from different analog
source material, or played back before
transfer to digital on different analog
decks.

Andy]]> Sat, 05 Jun 2021 17:26:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58317&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58317 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58316&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58316 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 1895
Posted: 05 June 2021 at 2:03pm

I'm starting to think I'm losing it a bit here...

I already had a copy of the Rhino "Radio Daze" series Vol. 2, so "Potted" it up a bit to hear some of the oddities folks were commenting about. What I found was starting at
about 2:25 and through 2:40, I'm hearing a definite capstan drag or some other form of distortion affecting the pitch. It's a bit intermittent in this time range, so
I can't really say exactly where this happens except maybe 2:29-30? And, a couple other spots.

I went out to Discogs and collected a clean copy of the K-Tel 8's Pop Explosion just to compare. On the K-Tel CD, I don't hear any of the "Dragging" effect. I'm getting ready
to once again pull out the Radio Daze disc and see if I can hear this from the disc directly.

One thing that made me curious about this was they were ripped from the same machine, software etc. Has anyone ever encountered songs that were ripped to a file, (In this
case .wav files for both versions), having variances that can be heard? I'm not an engineer nor a software developer, but can speed issues be picked up while ripping? Or,
are there really some issues on the Radio Daze CD that are inherent to the recording?

I just pulled up the CD source from Radio Daze, I can still hear that slowing or doppler like effect. Is it time to call the nice young men in their clean white shirts?

Edited by AdvprosD]]> Sat, 05 Jun 2021 14:03:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=58316&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#58316 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57559&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57559 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1895
Posted: 28 February 2021 at 11:32am

To Dave:

There is software to reverse the Haeco-CSG system
because it's a reasonably simple operation of shifting
the phase of one channel approximately 90 degrees at
certain frequencies.

To the best of my knowledge there is currently no
software to properly decode Dolby A as it's a more
complicated 4-band companding system.

Andy]]> Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:32:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57559&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57559 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57555&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57555 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 1895
Posted: 28 February 2021 at 9:11am

There's a different thread that talks about a process which was used in the sixties in mono vs stereo processing. I think the process was used on a Sergio Mendes and Brazil '66 album.
It was later possible to use a digital process to remove and improve the sound of the album.

Is there anything similar that can do this for Dolby that was improperly encoded?]]> Sun, 28 Feb 2021 09:11:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57555&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57555 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57554&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57554 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1895
Posted: 28 February 2021 at 7:33am

To Gene:

To properly decode a Dolby A encoded tape requires
first that the proprietary "Dolby A Tone" was recorded
on the tape to begin with. On playback the "Dolby A
Tone" must be matched to a specific level (was it +3
dB or 0 dB ? - I can't remember...).

If care is not taken, it is easy for a neophyte
engineer to screw up the transfer.

And then of course there were the unpaid interns that
didn't decode it at all because they didn't even know
what it was...

It's not really about technology - it's about schooled
engineering and passion for the music (or the lack
thereof).

Andy]]> Sun, 28 Feb 2021 07:33:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57554&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57554 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57543&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57543 Author: NightAire
Subject: 1895
Posted: 27 February 2021 at 3:55pm

Thanks to Hykker, I can confirm the mono side of the promo 45 IS simply a mono fold-down of the stereo mix.

(Dang, but it sounds GOOD off the vinyl, though! Sure there's pops, clicks, and assorted analog noise... but the "encoded" audio on the 45 is excellent. Crisp, clean, clear, excellent dynamics...

Perhaps it's the Dolby decoding issues Andy mentioned but it's hard for me to understand sometimes why we can't pull at least equal audio from the source tapes 40 years later with what you assume would be 40 years of technological improvements.)]]> Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:55:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57543&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57543 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57539&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57539 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 1895
Posted: 27 February 2021 at 7:57am

To John and Gene:

What I believe you're hearing on the Rhino CD are the
artifacts of undecoded Dolby (or at least improperly
decoded Dolby).

This great song I seem to recall for some reason has
had various Dolby issues since its release back in
1980.

I don't believe we can target co-producer Alan Tarney
as his productions and engineering were always
pristine.

But co-producer Bruce Welch has had other records with
this issue (e.g. Cliff Richard's "I Can't Ask For
Anymore Than You).

Andy]]> Sat, 27 Feb 2021 07:57:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1895&PID=57539&title=pilot-of-the-airwaves#57539