https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 06 May 2026 09:02:06 +0000 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:12:27 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1958 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25353&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25353 Author: aaronk
Subject: 1958
Posted: 27 February 2010 at 10:12pm

jimct wrote: I do not agree with your conclusion that our stereo 45s are somehow now disqualified as being a "current" pressing.

I actually didn't take KentT's post to mean that the stereo 45s were not a "current" pressing. I understood it as the song was becoming a radio recurrent, nearing the end of its chart run. He did say that the stereo 45 was released in early 1972, but that he had bought it 7 months after receiving his first copy from the record rep in 1971.

I don't think there is any disagreement about a legit, original, uncensored 45 version.

Edited by aaronk]]> Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:12:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25353&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25353 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25351&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25351 Author: jimct
Subject: 1958
Posted: 27 February 2010 at 1:24pm

Thanks for the mono/stereo promo details, Steve; it's one of the very few '71 promos I don't own myself. To me, the earlier, censored version was the only one I ever heard on 1971 Top 40 radio, so I'm not at all alleging that the uncensored 45 was "definitive". My stereo single was defintely from a different master. Long ago, I remember reading somewhere that Isaac was far from thrilled with the initial 45's censoring. Perhaps they even included a copy of this later, "uncensored, stereo 45 version" in Hayes' office inbox. It sure would have made him feel like the label listened to his "edit" complaint. Besides, it was already a radio smash on the way down, so this stereo stock 45 wouldn't impact radio at all. FYI, Hayes had long been a mainstay of the Stax/Volt production braintrust, and when the company ended their long-standing working agreement with Atlantic, there were new "artist" opportunities, so he took advantage. By now, with both his classic 1969 mega-hit "Hot Buttered Soul" LP, followed up by a #1 single, he was by far the label's top moneymaker - and probably someone worth a little extra effort to keep happy by pressing up some "we need to press one more 45 batch anyway", uncensored 45 copies. Never underestimate a label's desire to want to keep their top profit-makers happy, I say!

Edited by jimct]]> Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:24:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25351&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25351 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25350&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25350 Author: Hykker
Subject: 1958
Posted: 27 February 2010 at 10:57am

I can't say whether or not Jim's stereo single was an end-of-chart-run pressing made from a different master or a reissue, but I can say that it was NOT the stereo promo version. The stereo side of my promo is the same edit as the mono side ("damn right" and "mother" being ducked), only in stereo.

]]> Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:57:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25350&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25350 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25345&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25345 Author: jimct
Subject: 1958
Posted: 26 February 2010 at 11:56pm

Thanks for the valuable additional pressing details, Kent. I just checked the song's "current hit run" on the BB Hot 100, though, and four different months were involved, from mid-October of '71, and extending into the early weeks of January of '72. His follow-up, "Do Your Thing", didn't even debut on BB until Feb. 26th of 1972. It was never my personal experience that labels would keep pressing up "original stock #" 45s after a song's current chart run ended. Quite the opposite, in fact - I often recall being surprised at how quickly the labels would press up/ship out their recent hits onto their "Golden Oldies" 45 series. So, while I much appreciate your post, Kent, I do not agree with your conclusion that our stereo 45s are somehow now disqualified as being a "current" pressing. To me, they are more likely from one of the very last of Enterprise's current stock 45 pressing runs, in Jan. 72. Which, coincidentally, happened to occur just as the Stax/Volt/Enterprise family of labels were beginning to transition over to issuing stereo stock 45s. To me, your "I bought it as a re-current 7 months later" statement could simply mean that you actually bought a "current, Jan. 1972 stereo pressing" when you first personally happened upon it weeks/months later, in the Spring of '72. Is this possible? Besides, I'm sure you were putting as many hours in at your station back then as I put in at mine, and I know that I couldn't get to my local record store nearly as often as I would have liked during most weeks! :)

Edited by jimct]]> Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:56:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25345&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25345 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25344&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25344 Author: KentT
Subject: 1958
Posted: 26 February 2010 at 9:01pm

I have one of those oddball Stereo 45 pressings with the
newer label design. This was released in early 1972 when
the song was becoming a re-current. It was indeed mastered
by L. Nix. My copy was pressed by PL (Plastic Products in
Memphis). The earlier 45 singles were mastered by Harold
Craft at MasterCraft in Memphis and were mono and edited
versions. I own one of those copies as well with the
original style Enterprise label. My early single was given
to me by the Stax promo rep. The late copy I bought new
when I saw it was Stereo 7 months later in 1972.

Edited by KentT]]> Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:01:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=25344&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#25344 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9559&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9559 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 1958
Posted: 19 April 2007 at 9:07pm

I'm thinking comments like "censored 45 version" and "uncensored 45 version" would work well here.]]> Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:07:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9559&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9559 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9558&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9558 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 1958
Posted: 19 April 2007 at 7:40pm

Pat, after reading your update for "Shaft," I wonder if the term "standard 45 version" might be more accurate than "true 45 version" in this case.]]> Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:40:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9558&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9558 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9557&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9557 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 1958
Posted: 19 April 2007 at 2:18am

Great info, Jim! Thanks for posting that.]]> Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:18:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9557&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9557 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9556&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9556 Author: jimct
Subject: 1958
Posted: 18 April 2007 at 10:37pm

jimct wrote: This includes the same "ENA-9038" label catalog number info as my other three stock 45s....

Brian, I'm with you, my friend - I thought of that possibility as well. But it has the same flip side as the three others, in addiion to the EXACT same catalog number! I simply do not have a SHRED of evidence to make me believe this stereo 45 of mine isn't an original 1971 issue!]]> Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:37:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9556&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9556 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9553&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9553 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 1958
Posted: 18 April 2007 at 10:15pm

Wow, Jim, what a find! Are you absolutely sure the stereo 45 was issued in 1971? Does it have the same catalog number on the label?]]> Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1958&PID=9553&title=isaac-hayestheme-from-shaft-update#9553