https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 08 May 2026 19:20:29 +0000 Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:36:40 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1992 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=42785&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#42785 Author: Hykker
Subject: 1992
Posted: 24 December 2014 at 8:36am

MMathews wrote: The newer bass and drums are clearly recorded with 80's or 90's technology, and have a very modern feel. I thought this remix was cool when I first heard it on Rhino's HAND, but since I look at it the same as a Carpenters remix or a Madonna "Q-sound" re-tread.. sorry, it's not the hit that I remember.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that. I
posted something to the effect that what was on the HAND CD
was not the original mix and was soundly flamed for it.
Don't remember where...it was a long time ago, maybe even
on a usenet group (always known for their civility :-/).

]]> Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:36:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=42785&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#42785 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=42784&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#42784 Author: MMathews
Subject: 1992
Posted: 24 December 2014 at 1:57am

Good thing this song is a personal favorite, because I
just finished an exhaustive comparison of the all the
various versions, including a dub of a mint, un-played
45. So, now you get an exhausting post about it!

First, the LP Version. The original LP version sadly has
never appeared on CD. The "LP version" that has appeared
on CD is currently listed in the database as "(LP version
but with alternate bass line)" .. but I think a more
accurate description should be "(Remixed with a re-
recorded bass and drum track)".

The newer bass and drums are clearly recorded with 80's
or 90's technology, and have a very modern feel. I
thought this remix was cool when I first heard it on
Rhino's HAND, but since I look at it the same as a
Carpenters remix or a Madonna "Q-sound" re-tread.. sorry,
it's not the hit that I remember. I dubbed my vinyl LP
and that will have to do forever.

By the way, this remix first appeared on the Canadian
Best-of CD, so what Jim refers to above as the Canadian
mix is actually this remix. Jim, I'm pretty sure the
original 1971 Canadian mix and the '71 U.S. were indeed
the same.
A re-issue of the parent album is currently available as
a download, but it too substitutes the remix. I guess
this is how the band or the producers want us to hear the
song, forever.

Now, Jim also reported that his friend was able to re-
create the mono 45 version using the original '71 LP. I
agree, since I also have done the same thing. I folded
the original LP version to mono, then re-created the
edit. I got a perfect match when sync-ing it to the 45.
So, I have to disagree that the 45 is a dedicated mono
mix. I actually sync'd them so I could pinpoint the mix
differences, but only to find there weren't any.    

Now, we have the Dick Bartley Collector's Essentials of
the 70's. That has a 45 edit in stereo. Ironically,
this is the only CD that Pat lists as a remix - but it is
the only CD in the DB that has the original 1971 mix as
it was released.
----OH, but i should mention - I had to RE-EQ the Bartley
CD master and lower the BASS a lot. They mastered it with
much more bass than the 45 or LP has, so when you fold it
to mono as -is, some elements like the horns sound more
distant. Once I re-EQ'd with less bass and raised the
upper mid-range to match the 45, then the mixes sound the
same.

For Pat: I'm not sure why you hear a difference in the
tambourine on your DJ 45, but I can verify the tambourine
matches the commercial 45 exactly. I can send you my dub
of the 45 of course.   

Also, this stereo 45 edit existed before CD's... so this
was not created for this CD. I had this stereo edit on a
K-tel LP from 1975. Here's a link to that album in the K-
tel museum:
http://www.ktel.com/classics_music.php?id=5834

It MAY have been intended to be the stereo side of the DJ
45, although apparently wasn't actually used on the DJ
45. I don't know.

So, is this stereo edit the exact 45 version? No, not
quite. It was edited separately from or after the mono 45
edit was made, because they missed ONE edit point. It's
only off by 1.5 seconds.

As Steve points out, there's a bit of re-arranging when
editing the LP for the 45, they placed a later chorus
between verse 1 and verse 2. On the stereo re-creation,
they cut to this later chorus at 1:22, on the word "Fly".
But, on the mono 45 they cut in the chorus at 1:20.5,
right on the word "yeah". So in the stereo, at 1:20.5 we
hear a different "yeah" .. even though it is real close. Go figga. Also, as mentioned above, the CD master also
runs a little slower than the 45, so it needs to be
pitched up.

Now, some good news - you can "fix" the stereo edit so
that it is identical to the mono edit. The "yeah" that is
supposed to be at 1:20 also occurred later in the song,
at about 2:31. So, all I had to do was take the segment
from 2:31 - 2:32.5, and cut it in at 1:20.5 - 1:22.
The only other finishing touch was to tighten up the edit
at the end, on the finishing note. The mono edit was a
split second sooner than the stereo one.

Finally, I wasn't sure how this info would change the
description in the DB for the Bartley CD. Then I realized
based on my research, it should read "edit of LP version
in an unsuccessful attempt to create the 45 version"

Whew. Now I am going to listen to...something else. :-)

MM



   




]]> Wed, 24 Dec 2014 01:57:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=42784&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#42784 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=41838&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#41838 Author: Steve Carras
Subject: 1992
Posted: 13 July 2014 at 11:55pm

Update-just listened, there's some rearranging of verses-the three before the chorus ["fly the east/fly the west.."] on the LP, versus that chorus between the second & third verse...talk about a real restructuring job. Compare Chicago's Beginnings, Rufus's Tell me Something Good, & promos of Pacific Gas & Electric's "Are you Ready" & Wings' "Jet".]]> Sun, 13 Jul 2014 23:55:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=41838&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#41838 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=41837&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#41837 Author: Steve Carras
Subject: 1992
Posted: 13 July 2014 at 11:47pm

Plus I've listened to both and yet another different element case is present--i.e., a part one the single only (the final half-verse) and the album (the instrumental parts). :)]]> Sun, 13 Jul 2014 23:47:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=41837&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#41837 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35529&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35529 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 1992
Posted: 25 September 2012 at 1:43pm

I don't own a stereo DJ copy of this song, I was pretty sure there was one and thought I heard it on FM radio at the time. I suppose a station might have made their own edit, and that's what I heard, but since there were other mono/stereo Lighthouse DJ copies I assumed this one was also available. Can anyone confirm the existance of a stereo DJ copy of One Fine Morning? ]]> Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:43:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35529&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35529 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35523&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35523 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1992
Posted: 25 September 2012 at 11:09am

Thanks for the clarification, Pat.

In re-comparing the two at length, it did become apparent that the Evolution 45 is a dedicated mono mix. This becomes evident when the brass first kicks in during the intro (from :19 to :34). The horns during this segment are more up-front on the mono 45 than they are on the stereo Bartley CD track when summed to mono.

The 45 also runs at a slightly faster speed (~.66 second) than the CD track.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:09:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35523&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35523 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35493&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35493 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 1992
Posted: 24 September 2012 at 3:01pm

Let me rephrase what I stated above. Yes there is a tambourine on my 45 but it is mixed much lower than the version that appears on the Dick Bartley cd. My matrix number is the same as yours Yah Sure.]]> Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:01:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35493&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35493 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35485&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35485 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 1992
Posted: 24 September 2012 at 12:35pm

Okay, I compared all three 45s I have (one DJ and two stocks) with the 1:59-2:23 segment on the Dick Bartley CD, and there's a tambourine on all four during that stretch. I didn't hear any difference between any of my 45s when compared under headphones with the 45s in one channel and the Bartley track summed to mono in the other. Pat, by "extra tambourine," do you mean a second tambourine or just one? None of the four tracks I compared are missing a tambourine during that segment.

All three of my 45s were sourced from the same cutting, even though they weren't all pressed at the same plant. One stock copy is on vinyl, and is identical in terms of label fonts and layout to the mono vinyl DJ 45 scan I'd linked to above, except that it doesn't have the star and "PROMOTION COPY NOT FOR SALE" designation.

The identical deadwax markings are in the same places on all three 45s:
the number 1048 is crossed out with two lines........ 45193........SON.........S-1982

The only variation is that the Monarch styrene stock copy includes the delta number 85934 between the SON and S-1982.

Pat, is your DJ 45 mono-only?]]> Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:35:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35485&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35485 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35483&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35483 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 1992
Posted: 24 September 2012 at 10:39am

Using my promo 45 of One Fine Morning as a reference , I hear an extra tambourine added on the Dick Bartley cd from 1:59 to 2:23 that I do not hear on the dj 45.]]> Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:39:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35483&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35483 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35479&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35479 Author: jimct
Subject: 1992
Posted: 23 September 2012 at 8:34pm

Re: One Fine Morning - An old friend of mine, who I've since lost track of,
did extensive analysis of this song for me, way back in the day. I initially
provided him both my Canadian "Best Of" CD and my U.S. 45, and asked
him (pre-Downey Board) to create the 45 version for me. He tried, and
said he couldn't, as the instrumentation between the two versions didn't
exactly match up. He then asked me if I owned the original 1971 U.S. LP,
on Evolution. I did, I then forwarded it to him. He determined that
Evolution chose NOT to simply use the original Canadian LP version of the
song for their U.S. version of the LP. Evolution remixed the instrumental
track. Now I don't exactly recall if it was bass, shakers, or extra
drums/guitars that was added. But I do recall that when he then tried to
re-create the U.S. 45 version from my 1971 Evolution LP, he said it
matched up perfectly. I realize we'll now need to "confirm/re-trace" my
old friend's research here. If anyone happens to own/can analyze both the
Import CD and the Evolution LP (I believe the U.S. LP version has still never
appeared on a CD), I'm sure the specifics can quickly be pinpointed. If not,
I still have the original LP, and I can shoot it out to Aaron, if necessary.

Edited by jimct]]> Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:34:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1992&PID=35479&title=lighthouseone-fine-morning#35479