https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 01 May 2026 12:40:46 +0000 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:24:23 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2016 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31122&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31122 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2016
Posted: 27 July 2011 at 8:24pm

happy to see we've reached a successful conclusion on this one!]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:24:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31122&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31122 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31115&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31115 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 2016
Posted: 27 July 2011 at 9:12am

I have gone back and listened to the mono vs stereo issue and I do detect the bongos now on the 45 version so I have changed all entries in the database to reflect the correct 45 versions. As you might have guessed all the electronic versions are the correct 45 version.]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:12:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31115&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31115 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31105&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31105 Author: MMathews
Subject: 2016
Posted: 26 July 2011 at 5:40pm

Oh, Pat...

Sorry for any misunderstanding, Aaron is totally correct as i was dripping with sarcasm.   
Facetious at very least.
So i will clarify: Pat, I DO hear the bongos in the mono mix, and they are missing from the stereo mix. The new info boynamedfoo has brought is absolutely correct.
Therefore, unfortunately, any of the stereo edits are TECHNICALLY (see how i stressed that?) something like "edit of LP version to simulate 45 version" or maybe just simply "edit of LP version."
I don't know [sigh] I'll let y'all sort that out.

But, based on what i heard by comparing... the bongo overdubs ONLY appear on the mono 45 mix OR the re-channeled (fake stereo) versions made from that mono mix.

Now, all that are findings that should be shown in the database, for technical accuracy.

For ME, my above humorous statements meant that *I* personally don't care, I'll stick with the stereo mix. To me, the bongo overdubs are pretty low in the over-all mix. And for me, they don't add anything critical to this record..all the critical elements are present in the stereo, hence i nor most folks here ever even noticed they were missing, until this thread where a golden-ear has detected them.
I respect that the producers felt right at that moment that adding those bongos when they were editing down the mono mix might somehow help it be a hit. We'll never know, maybe they did!
All i know is, i wasn't missing them because they overdubbed them way in the background, so I'll stick with my stereo.

But again, for accuracy i must agree that the "45 version" distinction can only apply to the mono mixes that contain the added bongos/percussion.

Mark M



]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:40:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31105&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31105 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31103&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31103 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2016
Posted: 26 July 2011 at 12:25pm

Were promo 45's stereo/mono or mono/mono?]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:25:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31103&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31103 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31100&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31100 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2016
Posted: 26 July 2011 at 6:03am

Aaron is correct in his "designation" request, as I have been hoping for this
since June.

Edited by davidclark]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:03:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31100&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31100 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31099&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31099 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2016
Posted: 25 July 2011 at 9:41pm

Pat, I believe Mark's comment was sarcastic. I do hear bongos starting at around 1:00 on the stereo version. If you listen especially from 1:30 to 1:40ish, you can hear them clearly on the mono version. They are completely missing from the stereo versions that are currently listed as "45 version."

Versions that run 6:56ish but are in stereo will need a "neither" or "edit of LP version" comment.

Edited by aaronk]]> Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:41:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31099&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31099 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31097&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31097 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 2016
Posted: 25 July 2011 at 8:32pm

I agree with Mark in thatI do not hear the bongos either so I have not added a 45 version vs LP version comment in the database.]]> Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:32:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31097&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31097 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31078&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31078 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2016
Posted: 24 July 2011 at 6:18pm

Mark, your story is the same as my discovery of this track in stereo, first the
long LP version, then the stereo edit. I did not notice the missing congas
until it was pointed out to me last month....BIG sigh....]]> Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:18:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31078&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31078 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31068&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31068 Author: MMathews
Subject: 2016
Posted: 24 July 2011 at 1:17pm

Well, for years all i ever heard on vinyl was the 45 mix re-channelled on V/A albums or their best-of.
I never even knew there was a true stereo version at all! Until the late 80's a friend showed me the "All Directions" album and the magnum 13+ minute version.. and it was the first i ever heard it in stereo. I was WOW'd.

At least this new discovery explains all the stupid re-channeling all those years. Those who knew, at Motown, who were still around in those years must have known they added something to the single mix.

But, in CD era, I was SO happy when a single edit in STEREO finally came along.
Last night i carefully compared the 45 mix with the stereo mix. I even wanted to see if i could synchronize the missing bongos (yes, they sound like bongos to me, can be congas...whatever)...
But, they are SO low in the mix, that a synch is not possible to make them audible in stereo.
So, i dismiss their existence! Yes, i am turning my back on the mono...i am covering my ears and saying "la-la-la-la-la" i can't hear them! :-)
So there.

As Eeyore would say about it: "thanks for noticing...."
Sigh.

MM
]]> Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:17:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31068&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31068 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31056&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31056 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2016
Posted: 23 July 2011 at 5:16pm

bumping this up, the database has not yet been updated with the stereo
release lack of bongos, therefor not the 45 version]]> Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:16:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2016&PID=31056&title=temptationspapa-was-a-rollin-stone#31056