https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:39:15 +0000 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:09:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2053 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19450&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19450 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 2053
Posted: 24 October 2008 at 2:09pm

What strikes me about the 45 mix of "A Hazy Shade Of Winter" is how far more prominent the vocals are. You can actually understand what Paul and Artie are singing! The split-channel vocals on the stereo mix tend to be overpowered by the backing track. When the stereo mix is played on AM radio (or on a mono FM receiver) the vocals get buried under a foot of snow; "A Hazier Shade Of Winter," as it were.]]> Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:09:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19450&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19450 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19416&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19416 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2053
Posted: 23 October 2008 at 10:25am

I'm actually glad that Hykker brought this thread back. Reminded me that I needed to purchase 45 copies of "At The Zoo" and "A Hazy Shade of Winter", which I did today.]]> Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:25:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19416&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19416 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19415&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19415 Author: Indy500
Subject: 2053
Posted: 23 October 2008 at 8:53am

I think we can be certain that Columbia mono mixes are not fold-downs even if they are undistinguishable from the stereo mix.]]> Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:53:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19415&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19415 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19410&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19410 Author: Hykker
Subject: 2053
Posted: 22 October 2008 at 7:10pm

Todd Ireland wrote: Ok, I've done an A-B comparison between Jim's commercial 45 of "Cecilia", which is mono, and the stereo mix on Simon & Garfunkel's Best of CD. The 45 does run slightly faster than the LP and the acoustic guitar is more pronounced throughout the 45, while barely audible at all during most of the stereo mix. Meanwhile, the stereo mix contains someone whistling at 1:07, which is not present on the 45. Pat has updated the database to reflect that the 45 and LP are different, but I thought I'd elaborate on the specific differences alleged for this song earlier in this thread.

Bringing this thread back from the past.
Another difference that stands out to me is the xylophone (?) at the beginning of the instrumental bridge seems to be mixed higher on the 45 than the album.

Does anyone have the stereo promo copy of this single? I could have sworn I played it back in '70 (and indeed most Columbia promo 45s of that era were mono/stereo), but my promo is just a white-label version of the commercial single.

]]> Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:10:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=19410&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#19410 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=10032&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#10032 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2053
Posted: 28 May 2007 at 10:37pm

Just got done comparing Jim's commercial 45 of "Bridge over Troubled Water", which is mono, to the stereo mix on Simon & Garfunkel's Best of CD. I honestly didn't notice any significant differences between the two that would warrant a 45/LP version or 45/LP mix notation in the database. There really isn't any speed difference between the two either. Therefore, I disagree with the differences that were previously reported for the 45 and LP of "Bridge over Troubled Water" and am of the opinion that no additional database comments are needed here.]]> Mon, 28 May 2007 22:37:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=10032&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#10032 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=10031&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#10031 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2053
Posted: 28 May 2007 at 10:07pm

Ok, I've done an A-B comparison between Jim's commercial 45 of "Cecilia", which is mono, and the stereo mix on Simon & Garfunkel's Best of CD. The 45 does run slightly faster than the LP and the acoustic guitar is more pronounced throughout the 45, while barely audible at all during most of the stereo mix. Meanwhile, the stereo mix contains someone whistling at 1:07, which is not present on the 45. Pat has updated the database to reflect that the 45 and LP are different, but I thought I'd elaborate on the specific differences alleged for this song earlier in this thread.]]> Mon, 28 May 2007 22:07:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=10031&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#10031 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9972&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9972 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2053
Posted: 23 May 2007 at 10:40pm

Having now had a chance to compare Jim's "Homeward Bound" mono commercial 45 to the stereo mix on Simon & Garfunkel's Best of CD, I agree that the LP version contains some slight reverb not heard on the 45. That's pretty much the only difference I hear between the two mixes though. So does anyone think the light reverb is significant enough to warrant some sort of general mention in the database? Perhaps something like: (The stereo LP contains slight reverb not heard on the mono 45)?

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Wed, 23 May 2007 22:40:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9972&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9972 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9971&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9971 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2053
Posted: 23 May 2007 at 10:19pm

I have an update on Simon and Garfunkel's "Hazy Shade of Winter". Thanks to some always appreciated help from Jim, I compared an mp3 of his commercial 45 to the stereo version on Simon and Garfunkel's Best of CD (Columbia/Legacy 66022). I've confirmed there are indeed very short horn passages at the :55, :59, 1:02, and 1:36 points on the 45 that are not on what appears to be the LP version on Best of. Pat must have recently noticed this too as there are now comments in the database reflecting that the 45 and LP are different.]]> Wed, 23 May 2007 22:19:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9971&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9971 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9837&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9837 Author: PaulEschen
Subject: 2053
Posted: 13 May 2007 at 7:16am

The 45 version of "At The Zoo" does not have the phasing effect on the
percussion after the opening lines, and again, when the phrase is
repeated. The 45 version of "Homeward Bound" does sound as though
there is no reverb, and also, the drums sound as though they have more
low-end, or bass sound to them, and it seems that one can hear the
organ in the chorus a little louder as well.]]> Sun, 13 May 2007 07:16:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9837&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9837 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9827&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9827 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 2053
Posted: 12 May 2007 at 4:12pm

The heavy reverb might not have been on the original stereo lp of Homeward Bound. It's been docummented that reverb was added to the masters over the years. This is because Columbia had an insane process of making a dub ONCE from the original mix downs master. When that dub started to wear out they'd make a dub from THAT worn out dub until that wore out. Then another. Over time they covered up the tape drop outs with reverb. Simon and Garfunkel's Collected Works CD set contains the reverbed tapes. I believe later vinyl does too. Bob Irwin's digital multi track remixes do not. I think you'd need to find an original pressing to determine if that reverb was present on the stereo LP. Maybe somebody else knows more, correct me if I'm wrong. As far as the other mixes, stereo vs. mono, there are probably some slight differences. ]]> Sat, 12 May 2007 16:12:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2053&PID=9827&title=simon-garfunkel-45-vs-lp-mixes#9827