https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 03 May 2026 16:56:33 +0000 Sat, 16 Sep 2023 08:45:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2056 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=63623&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#63623 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2056
Posted: 16 September 2023 at 8:45am

The database for Sweet Cherry Wine currently states:
"commercial copies run either (4:14) not (4:25) as stated
on the record label or (4:22) not (3:59) as stated on the
record label"

Apparently there is another label time, 4:09, found on some
copies, as evidenced
here. I do not know
which version it plays, however.

Edited by TomDiehl1]]> Sat, 16 Sep 2023 08:45:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=63623&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#63623 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14332&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14332 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 2056
Posted: 03 February 2008 at 2:59pm

Bill, I just listened to the Tommy James Roulette vinyl LP "Travelin'" and it also has this echo that you mention. None of the cd's in the database contain this echo so it is not just a matter of 45 vs LP version, it deserves the notation "neither the 45 nor LP version" for each cd in the database.

Edited by Pat Downey]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:59:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14332&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14332 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14096&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14096 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 2056
Posted: 16 January 2008 at 5:25pm

This is an update:

Since this string started with the "She" database correction let me add that I just compared the mono DJ 45 on She to CD versions and the stereo CD version is missing the tape echo effect on Tommy's voice on the beginning of the song. I found an old stereo mix on a Scepter LP licensed from Roulette, and that stereo version also has this echo effect on Tommy's voice missing from the Rhino and Pair releases that I've examined.

Edited by Bill Cahill]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:25:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14096&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14096 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14095&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14095 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 2056
Posted: 16 January 2008 at 5:22pm

Yeah I've always thought that line sounded re-sung on the 45. Or pitched up. Pat's database has it all correct though, it lists properly the LP version or the "neither LP or 45 version". ]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:22:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14095&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14095 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14094&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14094 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2056
Posted: 16 January 2008 at 4:20pm

Revisiting this one, I took a combo of my noisy 45 and the LP version, mixed to mono, to create a much better 45 version. In doing so, it seemed like the instrumental portion on the LP from :06-:20 was mixed differently than the 45. Also, when Tommy sings "Look over yonder" it seems like a different vocal take on the LP vs. 45. His voice sounds a little hoarse on the LP.

Thoughts?]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:20:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=14094&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#14094 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12559&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12559 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2056
Posted: 10 November 2007 at 7:57pm

My 45 came in today - VG at best...little 'bubbles' in the vinyl. This is the 2nd time in a few months gotten a dud...

Anyways, did some major surgery to it. First, took the intro from a digital version, converted it to mono and pasted it in. Then, some clever EQ'ing and noise removal, an acceptable copy.

Tom Diehl agrees, the last 20 seconds or so of the 45 are different from the stereo versions we've come to know, thus the LP version designation in the database.

Edited by eriejwg]]> Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:57:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12559&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12559 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12486&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12486 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 2056
Posted: 07 November 2007 at 7:17pm

I hadn't seen all of the responses on this one.. now that it's bumped I see lots of questions. The Bill Inglot Multitrack remix that is neither version does have the percussion loop or edit vs. the bass line just like the original 45, and has the extra horns that were added to the 45.

But the LP version was always slightly longer near the end where Tommy sings "Crystal Blue Persuasion, Ahhh Haahh". That repeated twice on the LP version and the newly remixed versions. On the 45 it happens only once. So you could get a stereo 45 version by editing out the first of the two "Crystal Blue Persuasion ahhaaa".. at least I think that's how the edit was made from the original sessions.

But there may be some mix differences on the mono 45 that I'm not aware of, especially at the end that would prevent an exact duplication. ]]> Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:17:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12486&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12486 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12485&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12485 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2056
Posted: 07 November 2007 at 4:42pm

I would like a copy of this as well. I have it on a Roulette reissue 45 but haven't ever played it to see what might be on it....]]> Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:42:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12485&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12485 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12479&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12479 Author: sriv94
Subject: 2056
Posted: 07 November 2007 at 12:02pm

eriejwg wrote: Just ordered a NM 45 for "Crystal Blue Persuasion." Should be here within a few days, then I'll clean it up in Adobe. David, will contact you via PM, if you'd like, when mine comes in...

Count me in too. For comparative purposes only. :)]]> Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:02:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12479&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12479 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12478&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12478 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2056
Posted: 07 November 2007 at 11:49am

Just ordered a NM 45 for "Crystal Blue Persuasion." Should be here within a few days, then I'll clean it up in Adobe.

David, will contact you via PM, if you'd like, when mine comes in...]]> Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:49:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2056&PID=12478&title=tommy-james-and-the-shondells#12478