https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 13:32:55 +0000 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:11:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2084 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=47591&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#47591 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 2084
Posted: 15 June 2017 at 1:11pm

IMHO, this is one of the greatest - and unique - singles EVER. I believe it has 7 distinct different sections musically - that's almost unheard of - and pretty amazing for a song that clocks in at around 3:30. ]]> Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:11:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=47591&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#47591 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=47584&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#47584 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2084
Posted: 14 June 2017 at 8:22pm

The long 45 version from the first pressings of the 45 runs 3:53.

I have it on the imaginatively titled Diana Ross disc All The Great Hits (copyright 1981), where it sounds just fine.

I also have it on Silver Eagle's 3-CD Motown 25th Anniversary (copyright 1983), where it sounds really lifeless.

It's available on quite a few other Motown discs, but I don't have any others to compare.

The LP and short 45 version from later pressings of the 45 runs 3:26.

This version is much more common on the compilations I have.

It appeared first on a very early CD - Motown's Diana Ross Compact Command Performance 14 Greatest Hits (1984), where it also sounds just fine. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Motown's Diana Ross All The Great Love Songs (1984) - digitally identical
• Motown's 12 #1 Hits From The 70's (copyright 1982) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
• Motown's Endless Love 15 Of Motown's Greatest Love Songs (1986) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
• Motown's Every Great Motown Song The First 25 Years (1986) - digitally exactly 1 dB louder
• Silver Eagle/MCA's 3-CD Shades Of Love (1989)
• Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 13 1973 (1992), later repackaged as AM Gold Vol. 3 1973 (1992) - both have their left and right channels swapped; avoid
• Time-Life's Body Talk Vol. 4 Together Forever (1996) - differently-EQ'd digital clone

I can't tell if Motown's 4-CD Hitsville USA Vol. 2 (1993) uses the same analog transfer as Compact Command Performance 14 Greatest Hits. I think that it does, but with its absolute polarity inverted (unimportant), and about 7 dB louder. It's a little too loud here, and clips a bit. If you adjust the levels, it sound about the same as Compact.... There's a digitally identical clone on Motown's Motown Year By Year 1973 (1995).

And one outlier, which isn't based on any of the above - Warner Special Products' 2-CD Everlasting Love (1989). It runs a teeny bit faster than all of the above.

My recommendation: Motown did it right the first time. Go with Motown's Diana Ross Compact Command Performance 14 Greatest Hits (1984).]]> Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:22:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=47584&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#47584 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40993&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40993 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 2084
Posted: 10 April 2014 at 1:34pm

Glenpwood wrote: To clarify the two versions out on 45. The longer 3:51 version was meant for the LP and the 3:26 version was done for the commercial 45 but the tapes were mislabeled so the first pressing 45's (promo & stock) got the long version and the short version wound up on the first stock copies of the Touch Me In The Morning album. This was caught and corrected by Motown during it's chart run. First pressings of the album also feature a Deke Richards mix of "We Need You" where Diana sounds like she's singing the song underwater so that was corrected as well on the second pressings.

So, I have the first run of the album with the 45 single
length. I also have the 45 with the single length. And,
here I thought the longer version on one of my CD comps
was some unique tape Harry Weinger found. ]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:34:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40993&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40993 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40972&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40972 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 2084
Posted: 09 April 2014 at 9:56am

Wow, that's interesting. Where did you discover this? I always thought it was odd that the 45 was longer than the LP, but then again, we've seen examples where this was done on purpose - where the label thought the song should be longer than what was originally included on the album. So I just thought that was the case.

I do believe the CDs of the "Touch Me In the Morning" album all go by the original release of the album - using the accidental short version for "Touch Me...". Perhaps the recent Deluxe Edition used the long version in its place - they are really good at paying attention to detail and giving the fans all they could want.]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 09:56:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40972&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40972 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40971&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40971 Author: Glenpwood
Subject: 2084
Posted: 09 April 2014 at 6:31am

To clarify the two versions out on 45. The longer 3:51
version was meant for the LP and the 3:26 version was done
for the commercial 45 but the tapes were mislabeled so the
first pressing 45's (promo & stock) got the long version
and the short version wound up on the first stock copies
of the Touch Me In The Morning album. This was caught and
corrected by Motown during it's chart run. First pressings
of the album also feature a Deke Richards mix of "We Need
You" where Diana sounds like she's singing the song
underwater so that was corrected as well on the second
pressings. ]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 06:31:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=40971&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#40971 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38672&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38672 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2084
Posted: 30 July 2013 at 9:06pm

Todd Ireland wrote: I agree with Pat's policy to not make database notations just for stereo panning differences. Now, if we're talking about mix differences between two sources where vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background, or reverb is added or removed, then I would support a "45/LP mix" designation in these instances (a policy which Pat already implements) because these mix alterations are clearly intended to affect the overall sound and feel of a recording.

This is where I tend to disagree with Pat's policy; however, I respect his decision that was made long ago. I've also never quite understood the difference between "LP mix" and "LP version."

With regards to "vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background," this is the case with probably hundreds of stereo/mono versions that have no designation in the database. Just listen to any "wide stereo" mix vs. the mono 45, and the differences are day and night. Pat's policy, though, only accounts for differences when there is something added or taken away from the song, such as added reverb or a missing instrument.]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:06:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38672&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38672 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38667&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38667 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2084
Posted: 30 July 2013 at 7:59pm

I agree with Pat's policy to not make database notations just for stereo panning differences. Now, if we're talking about mix differences between two sources where vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background, or reverb is added or removed, then I would support a "45/LP mix" designation in these instances (a policy which Pat already implements) because these mix alterations are clearly intended to affect the overall sound and feel of a recording.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:59:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38667&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38667 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38666&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38666 Author: edtop40
Subject: 2084
Posted: 30 July 2013 at 4:54pm

i agree with aaron....it's the same version just a subtle
delivery issue....no need for the 'neither' designation...]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:54:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38666&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38666 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38665&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38665 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2084
Posted: 30 July 2013 at 11:05am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pat doesn't designate version differences for things like panning or volume levels. This is the reason that many stereo versions of songs that were mono on the 45 don't get an "LP version" designation.

Edited by aaronk]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:05:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38665&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38665 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38664&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38664 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 2084
Posted: 30 July 2013 at 9:09am

Based on the piano panning, would it be most accurate for Pat to list this version as "Neither the 45 or LP version"?]]> Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:09:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2084&PID=38664&title=diana-rosstouch-me-in-the-morning#38664