https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 17:53:51 +0000 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:24 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2273 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=32301&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#32301 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2273
Posted: 27 December 2011 at 9:54pm

Todd, the stereo 45 of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need was first issued on MGM SK 50104 in 1958. Unfortunately I don't own it....but in the years since this thread first started, I've really started to get into Tommy's music and have a lot of 45's by him now. My 1970's reissue of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need actually uses the original mono stampers for both sides.

Since I'm not a big LP person, I don't have the It's All In The Game album, but I would pick it up if I saw it in passing (and yes, a mono pressing does exist of it, per ebay).]]> Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=32301&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#32301 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=32294&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#32294 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2273
Posted: 27 December 2011 at 3:47pm

Bumping this one back up... Did anyone ever make a final determination as to whether the stereo "alternate take" of Tommy Edwards' "Love Is All We Need" is the same version that appeared on the stereo It's All in the Game vinyl LP in 1958? If it is, then I'd argue that "stereo LP version" or even a simple "LP version" comment (if mono LP pressings don't exist) would be more appropriate for these stereo CD appearances. (By the way, the stereo 45 of "Love Is All We Need" which has "It's All in the Game" as the B-side appears to be a later reissue and therefore probably shouldn't figure into the equation here.)

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:47:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=32294&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#32294 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=29553&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#29553 Author: PaulEschen
Subject: 2273
Posted: 27 March 2011 at 6:29pm

For what it's worth, iTunes has the 45 version (from an obviously vinyl
source) of "Love Is All We Need". It's on a suspicious-looking CD simply
called Tommy Edwards (2007, 2006 Warwick Records). All the cuts are
from vinyl, and in mono. Better to have a decent vinyl copy of the 45 version
than no version at all.]]> Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:29:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=29553&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#29553 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10723&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10723 Author: Gary Mack
Subject: 2273
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 7:53pm

The only stereo mix of Runaway is the alternate version which, since only two were recorded, was actually the first take. I don't know what happened to the session reel, but even the Big Top stereo releases of Runaway used take one. How do I know? Del Shannon was interviewed many times and mentioned that the first attempt wasn't right in several ways. The second take just nailed it, so they were done.

GM]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:53:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10723&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10723 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10721&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10721 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2273
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 12:39pm

(last post on this...i promise!)

I do know that the stereo "Runaway" appeared on the 1963 stereo LP "Little Town Flirt" (which has been re-issued on CD), since it was 2 years later I use "alternate take" for it, however I don't know if the 1961 stereo LP "Runaway with Del Shannon" contained the mono hit 45 "Runaway" or the stereo alternate. If the latter, then I'd tend to "stereo LP version". just my craziness in song labelling.]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:39:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10721&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10721 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10719&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10719 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2273
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 11:45am

Well, wouldn't Del Shannon's Runaway be "stereo LP version" then too? I think it's probably best to just call this one an alternate take....or "stereo lp version that incorporates sections of an alternate take".....this gets confusing after a while...]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:45:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10719&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10719 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10717&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10717 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2273
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 9:54am

to throw more at this...i should have added to my post that I use "alternate take" when the particular version appears "later", i.e., a year or more after the hit. And, it is from the same or near session. A prime example of this is what I've learned to be the stereo alternate take of Del Shannon - Runaway. The stereo being done at the same session (first, reportedly), then appearing later on an LP.

[I use "remake" when the hole song is redone in the same style as the original, as is the case with Pat Boone's early hits and "re-recording" when it is a totally different style (like "The Twist" on BB Top RnR Hits 1960), possibly not even involving the entire band].

In the case of "Love Is All We Need", if we determine that the stereo LP was out at the same time and contained the version we are discussing, then as per Pat's usual labeling, it would be "stereo LP version", no?

i know i know...talk about being "meticulous"

Edited by davidclark]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:54:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10717&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10717 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10711&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10711 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2273
Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:58pm

davidclark wrote: hummm. while i agree they are different in some sections of the song and the same in others, my idea of an "alternate take" is a different recording done at the same or near session as the "hit" (i.e., Take 1, Take 2 are completely different, like in the movies too!). I think "alternate take" is a bit too strong here. Perhaps "alternate version". Or, is it the "stereo LP version"? When did the stereo first appear? UPDATE (later than evening...). According to Mike Callahan's BSN website, his MGM discography, "Love Is All We Need" appeared on a stereo single (SK-50104 It's All In The Game/Love Is All We Need) and LP (SE-3732 - It's All in the Game) both in 1958. I would therefore suggest "stereo version" or "stereo LP version" for this stereo version.

My belief is that, say, the stereo mix was one complete take, while the mono version was edited from several different takes....that did NOT use the same backing track throughout as there is a little bit of different instrumentation (for all we know, they're two complete takes, one mono one stereo, that just happen to be very similar, why would they make an edit in the tapes to add in a drumbeat or change the way two words are pronounced?). Since the MGM multitracks were destroyed in a fire with remaining tapes thrown out in 1973, it is very likely that the stereo version is the definitive MGM stereo version from the original stereo 45 and lp. The whole song sounds like an alternate take to my ears but i'm sure it would be just as easy to call it a stereo album version with alternate vocal or music portions in various sections of the recording, but that seems like too much of a description to me....calling it an alternate take seems better...]]> Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:58:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10711&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10711 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10709&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10709 Author: davidclark
Subject: 2273
Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:15pm

good point, Pat. We would need to verify that.]]> Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:15:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10709&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10709 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10708&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10708 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 2273
Posted: 10 July 2007 at 6:23pm

But is the wretched stereo version that is appearing on cd the same stereo version that appeared on the vinyl LP in 1958?]]> Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:23:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2273&PID=10708&title=tommy-edwardslove-is-all-we-need#10708