https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 29 Apr 2026 11:47:13 +0000 Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:50:25 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2294 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=55259&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#55259 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 2294
Posted: 13 August 2020 at 8:50am

Ron,

You are too kind . Thanks for the breakdown.]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:50:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=55259&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#55259 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=55250&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#55250 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2294
Posted: 12 August 2020 at 8:44pm

Just revisiting this song, 13 years later.

45 version (ends in a full word "kind", with the "d" clearly pronounced)

Of the twenty-four (!) versions of "Need You Tonight" that I have on CD, only five have the full "kind" at the very end:

• The promo CD single (Atlantic PR 2132-2, 1987) - no designation (LP, 45, etc.), 108.7 BPM (just for reference)
• Atlantic's promo compilation Atlantic's Year In Review 1987 (1988) - 108.7 BPM, differently-EQ'd digital clone of promo CD single
• swaitek's promo 50-CD The A List Disc 42 (1994) - 108.7 BPM, same dynamic range as above two, but has noise reduction (doh!), mastering likely based on a TM Century disc
• EMI Virgin PolyGram UK's 2-CD Now The Millennium Series 1988 (1999) - 108.7 BPM, mastered too loud and clips a lot but no noise reduction
• Atlantic/Rhino's The Best Of INXS (2002) - no designation, 108.9 BPM, mastered too loud and clips a lot but no noise reduction

There were also 1987/1988 CD singles in Germany, UK, and Japan. I don't know what was on those.

Unfortunately, if you want to own the absolute true 45 version (with the full kind at the end), the only reasonably inexpensive option is The Best Of INXS (2002), which is loud.

LP version (cuts off the "d" in the word "kind", and tracks into the next song on Kick, "Mediate")

Atlantic's full-length INXS album Kick (1987) sounds really good, as you might expect. The following discs all use the same analog transfer as Kick:

• Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-1988 (1988)
• PolyGram Europe's Hits On CD Vol. 9 (1988)
• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994)
• JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll #1 Radio Hits 1985-1989 (1996)
• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Make You Sweat (1998)

All of the above have the same dynamic range as Kick, reasonable EQ, no noise reduction, all run at 108.7 BPM, and all fade quickly to lose the "d" in the word "kind" before the drums from "Mediate" kick in. If you want the song on a compilation, any of the above will work well. (FYI, I retract my earlier statement in this thread about Awesome '80s; it sounds about the same as any other Warner Special Products compilation.)

The mastering style in 1987 used an enormous dynamic range, with plenty of headroom and very little compression/limiting. It sounded terrific, as you might imagine. Unfortunately, in later years, the mastering style was to bump up the volume, so that your CD was louder than other CDs. (It's called the loudness war; read up on it if you haven't heard of it before.) This meant that INXS greatest hits discs, released well after 1987, had to clip the peaks of "Need You Tonight" or apply extra compression/limiting in order to be loud enough to compete in the loudness war. It's not ideal.

Atlantic's Greatest Hits (1994) uses a new analog transfer, and clips quite a bit. It runs 108.8 BPM here. The same analog transfer is used on:

• WEA's WEA Twenty-Fifth Anniversary Vol. 3 (1996)
• Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 5 (1997) - digitally exactly 4 dB quieter
• Skifan Iceland's 2-CD Pottţétt Rokk (1997)
• Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 21 1986-1989 (1997) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
• Cema's 2-CD Mystic Music Presents Red Hot (1998) - digitally identical
• EMI's Rock 'N Roll Relix 1986-1987 (1998) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
• Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 10 Late '80s (2000) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
• Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 24 Everything '80s (2002) - differently-EQ'd digital clone

The song "Devil Inside" follows "Need You Tonight" on GH, and you can actually hear the opening beat of "Devil Inside" at the very end of some of the songs on the above list. Ugh.

Others:

• Atlantic's promo INXS best-of Compilation (1990) has "Need You Tonight" and "Mediate" as a single track, with a nice dynamic range and nice sound, but it's pricey
• Rhino's Hang The DJ 1988 (1996) has a nice dynamic range, includes a bit of "Mediate", and runs too slow at 107.9 BPM
• EMI Virgin Polygram UK's Now 14 (1989) and 2-CD Now 1989 (1993) have great dynamic range, but both cut off the entire last line of the song. Boo.

My recommendation

If you're looking for "Need You Tonight", I'll assume that the promo CD single and Atlantic's Year In Review 1987 are not realistic choices, unless you somehow already own them. Which means that you'll get the LP version, which is quickly faded to cut off the "d" in the word "kind".

Personally, I love the Kick album, and it has enough hits to stand on its own as a worthwhile collection of chart hits.

If you want the song on a compilation, try and find one that's based on the mastering for Kick. I do like Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994), but it's only about as good as other Warner Special Products collections from that time frame (13 years ago, I spent too much time on the Steve Hoffman forum). The JCI disc has a few slightly early fades to fit so many songs on the disc.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:44:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=55250&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#55250 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=51411&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#51411 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2294
Posted: 27 February 2019 at 9:47pm

That's correct, and we're probably talking less than a second difference between the two.]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:47:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=51411&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#51411 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=51410&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#51410 Author: MCT1
Subject: 2294
Posted: 27 February 2019 at 8:56pm

If I follow correctly:

1) on the original LP version, the end of the final word "kind" overlaps with the beginning of "Mediate".

2) on the original 45 version, the final word "kind" continues for as long as it does on the LP version (the last letter of the word, and the reverb that follows it, are clearly audible), but it doesn't overlap with the beginning of "Mediate" (relative to the LP version, the beginning of "Mediate" has been mixed out).

3) any version in which the final word "kind" does not overlap with "Mediate" because it is cut off before the point where "Mediate" starts on the original LP version (chopping off the last letter of the word - so it sounds more like "kine" than "kind" - and the reverb that follows it) is an unsuccessful attempt to create the 45 version from the LP version

Is the difference in whether the beginning of "Mediate" is mixed in under the end of the final word "kind" the only difference between the 45 and LP versions? ]]> Wed, 27 Feb 2019 20:56:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=51410&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#51410 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27414&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27414 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 2294
Posted: 08 August 2010 at 9:07pm

aaronk wrote: I just pulled my copy of Best Of, where "Need You Tonight" is the first track, and the full "kind" is on that disc. It doesn't abruptly cut off at the end like on my copy of Awesome '80s.

Yup. I just downloaded it from iTunes.]]> Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:07:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27414&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27414 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27413&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27413 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2294
Posted: 08 August 2010 at 8:23pm

I just pulled my copy of Best Of, where "Need You Tonight" is the first track, and the full "kind" is on that disc. It doesn't abruptly cut off at the end like on my copy of Awesome '80s.]]> Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:23:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27413&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27413 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27411&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27411 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 2294
Posted: 08 August 2010 at 8:15pm

Post withdrawn

Edited by The Hits Man]]> Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:15:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27411&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27411 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27360&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27360 Author: edtop40
Subject: 2294
Posted: 06 August 2010 at 4:28pm

the cd below

(S)(3:01) Rhino 78084 Billboard #1s: The ‘80s

contains the true 45 version, with the last word as "kind" and not as "kine".....i checked the vinyl 45 and it also has the full "kind" and NOT "kine"......this should be noted in the db....

Edited by edtop40]]> Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:28:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27360&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27341&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27341 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 2294
Posted: 04 August 2010 at 6:52pm

Very good ears, Brian, abagon and Aaron! Re-listened to all the different versions I have, and will summarize...

Versions that are edited from the Kick version (tracking into "Mediate"):

• Kick (obviously)
• Awesome '80s (cut -not a fade- right before opening downbeat of "Mediate")
• Hits On CD Vol. 9 (cut -not a fade- right before opening downbeat of "Mediate")
• Hit Singles 1980-1988 (faded to silence so that it sounds like "kine")
• Hang The DJ 1988 (fade-out over first 6-7 seconds of "Mediate")

Versions that have the complete "d" or "t" sound at the very end:

• Atlantic's Year In Review 1987
• The A List Disc 42
• Now The Millennium Series 1988

The other CDs listed in my post above have remnants of "Devil Inside" from the Greatest Hits or are otherwise self-explanatory.]]> Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:52:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27341&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27341 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27337&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27337 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2294
Posted: 03 August 2010 at 9:45pm

Brian W. wrote: The REVERB from the final word "kind" tracks into the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If you just cut off the song before the first drumbeat of "Mediate," that reverb will be clipped.

Brian, I'm noticing what you mean here. I listened to my copy on Awesome '80s, and the word "kind" is sort of cut off at the end. It's sounds like, "you're one of my kine."

On the promo CD "Atlantic's Year In Review 1987," the full word "kind" can be heard, and you can clearly hear the "d" (almost sounds like a "t") and the trailing reverb.]]> Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:45:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2294&PID=27337&title=inxs-need-you-tonight#27337