https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 29 Apr 2026 11:42:00 +0000 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:44:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2462 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=37957&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#37957 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 2462
Posted: 11 June 2013 at 5:44pm

Well I've been putting this off for a while because these are only "subtle differences" but since the "Goodbye to Love" thread is active again here goes:

The mono side of the DJ 45 is NOT a fold down.

The following difference may be enough to note this as a slightly different mix:

My comparisons are between the DJ stereo and mono sides of the original radio 45. The DJ stereo side is the same as the stock.

On the stereo mix at 1:44 the electric guitar fades down quickly to give Karen the stage on the line "What Lies in the future". The electric guitar basically gets buried under her. The mono mix does not fade out the guitar as quickly at 1:44 and the final note of the electric guitar can be heard clearly under Karen. This one difference may be enough to warrant that the mono DJ side is a slightly difference mix.

At 2:12 starting with the "Bye" on "Goodbye to Love" the orchestra continues on the stereo version but is either gone or is lowered a lot more on the mono side, basically giving just the organ the stage.

After the drum solo at 2:20 the tambourine is heard immediately on the stereo side but takes until about 2:24 until you can notice it clearly on the mono side. It may indeed be there at 2:20 but it is certainly not as noticeable, I think it was faded up on the mono version.

The added compression on the mono side makes the reverb on the drum solo sound a lot louder at 2:17, it may indeed be louder but I'm guessing it only sounds louder due to the added compression.

The mono side is the same length as the stereo side (3:50) but there is a little extra music heard at the end of the mono side as it is sped up more than the stereo side.

Other ears may hear the above differently.

Most of the Carpenters' earlier singles were prepped differently for mono so they would pop better on AM radio.

Edited by Bill Cahill]]> Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:44:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=37957&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#37957 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=37936&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#37936 Author: edtop40
Subject: 2462
Posted: 10 June 2013 at 7:58pm

it should be added to the db that the vinyl 45's listed and
actual running time is 3:50...]]> Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:58:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=37936&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#37936 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29037&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29037 Author: Hykker
Subject: 2462
Posted: 27 January 2011 at 1:18pm

EdisonLite wrote: Did he mean that "Please Mr. Postman" was a cover of a Beatles song that was a #1 song in the US? Because that's true. That is to say, the CARPENTERS version hit #1 in the US, which it certainly did. But a statement like what I just wrote could also be misinterpreted as the Beatles having the #1 hit, which isn't so. So I'm guessing that's what happened.

The site claimed that PMP was #1 by 3 different artists: Marvelettes, Beatles & Carpenters.]]> Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:18:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29037&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29037 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29036&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29036 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 2462
Posted: 27 January 2011 at 10:45am

Did he mean that "Please Mr. Postman" was a cover of a Beatles song that was a #1 song in the US? Because that's true. That is to say, the CARPENTERS version hit #1 in the US, which it certainly did. But a statement like what I just wrote could also be misinterpreted as the Beatles having the #1 hit, which isn't so. So I'm guessing that's what happened.]]> Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:45:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29036&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29036 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29034&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29034 Author: Hykker
Subject: 2462
Posted: 27 January 2011 at 7:19am

Brian W. wrote: http://www.grantguerrero.com/carpenters/song.html

Interesting site.
Not that it has anything to do with the Carpenters, per se but the page for their "Horizon" album mentions the Beatles having a #1 song in the U.S. with "Please Mr. Postman". On what chart did this take place? Certainly not Billboard.]]> Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:19:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29034&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29034 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29030&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29030 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2462
Posted: 25 January 2011 at 9:47am

This song is available in its original 45/LP mix on Rhapsody, though it's slower. Pitch up the file 2% and it will run 3:50.]]> Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:47:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=29030&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#29030 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28432&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28432 Author: KentT
Subject: 2462
Posted: 21 November 2010 at 8:02am

With the Carpenters' here is how you get the definitive original versions (except for "Ticket To Ride" in it's original version on CD. 1: Get a Japanese pressed or early pre-IFPI code USA made "The Singles 1969-1973" and the UK, West German, or Canadian A&M "The Singles 1974-1978" which have original mixes we know and love save for the re-sung "Ticket To Ride" which I think is superior. ]]> Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:02:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28432&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28432 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28347&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28347 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 2462
Posted: 15 November 2010 at 9:44pm

I finally got a chance to check into this some more.   Unfortunately my A Song For You LP has gone MIA so I ordered an original A&M 45. Here's the comparison of the 45 with the CD Remastered Classics 828393511 A Song For You:

- The 45 runs 3:50 and the CD runs 3:55 as noted in the database.
- The above running time difference is due to a speed difference, with the 45 running approximately 2.2% faster than the CD (just got a new turntable and haven't had a chance to do a detailed check on 45 speed accuracy).
- I could not detect a re-recorded piano on the CD as indicated in the database listing. The piano sounded the same as did the entire mix.

I lost my vinyl LP as noted, but going by an above post, the 45 and LP are identical.

I suspect what may have happened is they decided to speed up this song when creating the LP cutting master, which must have also been used to create the 45. When they went back to the original master tape for the Remastered Classics reissue, they either didn't check that song against the original LP or decided to go with the original recorded speed.

Bottom line: If you have the Remastered Classics CD, it contains the correct mix of "Goodbye To Love" but at the wrong speed. ]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:44:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28347&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28347 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28297&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28297 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 2462
Posted: 10 November 2010 at 6:41pm

Brian W. wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that there might simply be an inadvertent error on in the database? According to this extensive Carpenters' discography, the remastered CD is the original US mix: http://www.grantguerrero.com/carpenters/song.html

I went back to that website as well (a great source for info on Carpenters releases). Hopefully the database has an error, but in an above post, Pat indicates that the original 45 and LP run 3:50 and I can definitely confirm that the Remastered Classics CD runs 3:55.

I think I have A Song For You on vinyl somewhere so I'll try to dig that out and compare over the weekend, in case no one has provided a definitive verdict yet.]]> Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:41:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28297&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28297 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28296&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28296 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 2462
Posted: 10 November 2010 at 3:29pm

Has it occurred to anyone that there might simply be an inadvertent error on in the database? According to this extensive Carpenters' discography, the remastered CD is the original US mix:


http://www.grantguerrero.com/carpenters/song.html

Edited by Brian W.]]> Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:29:12 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2462&PID=28296&title=goodbye-to-love-carpenters#28296