https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 18:25:11 +0000 Sat, 22 Apr 2023 00:52:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2499 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=62921&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#62921 Author: NightAire
Subject: 2499
Posted: 22 April 2023 at 12:52am

I remember at least one of the two local top 40s in Tulsa for sure playing the "remix" (KELI-AM/FM) but I can't speak for KAYI-FM.

The commercial 45 mix immediately sounded wrong: instruments in the wrong place, different spreads, different levels. It wasn't until I switched to the LP version that I thought, "aha! THAT'S how I remember it sounding on the radio."]]> Sat, 22 Apr 2023 00:52:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=62921&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#62921 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16380&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16380 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2499
Posted: 19 May 2008 at 7:13pm

Thanks for your extensive detective work on this, Aaron! Fortunately, the 45 version is easy to find on CD.

I was living near Dayton, Ohio, at the time "Dare Me" was a hit. I'm pretty sure the local Adult Contemporary stations played the 3:41 version. I believe Z-93, our Top 40 station, briefly played the so-called "remix", though admittedly my memory is hazy with this.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Mon, 19 May 2008 19:13:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16380&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16380 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16370&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16370 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 2499
Posted: 19 May 2008 at 7:16am

Here's another question, and my mind is fuzzy on what the Top 40 station I worked at in 1985 did, but did stations stay with the original 3:41 version, or switch to the s0-called "hot new remix" ??]]> Mon, 19 May 2008 07:16:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16370&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16370 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16365&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16365 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2499
Posted: 18 May 2008 at 10:33pm

Thanks to my friend, BudB, I just compared the LP version on Nipper's Greatest Hits: The 80s with the "Hot New Remix" on the promo 45. My suspicions are mostly correct. This isn't actually a "remix." It's just a very slightly altered LP version.

The technical specs

The promo 45 "remix" and the LP version match exactly up the (3:28) mark. At that point, (0:08) was removed from the LP version in comparison to the "remix." Also, the two versions differ for about (0:06) just before the fade out, where there is some different ad libbing.

For the editors, this version CAN be created by using what's available on CD; you'll just have to use the 12" version from (3:47) to the end. Using the LP version to start, remove the section from (3:28.5) to (3:37.3), which is on the downbeat. At (3:47), switch sources to the 12" version where the vocals are exactly the same (roughly at 5:08). Using about 25 seconds of the 12" version for the ending, create the fade from (3:58) to (4:12).

As a side note, the 12" version is the same mix as the LP version; it's just longer and has a different intro. At the place where the different ad libbing occurs between the promo 45 and LP version, you can hear the tape splices on the LP version where they edited in an earlier section of the 12" version for (0:06).]]> Sun, 18 May 2008 22:33:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16365&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16365 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16353&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16353 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2499
Posted: 18 May 2008 at 1:04am

I'm highly suspicious that the "Hot New Remix" might be the LP version and could have been a record company gimmick to conjure up some airplay. I just compared this promo 45 version to the copy on my TM Century GoldDisc, and they are the same. The reason I suspect it's the LP version is because this particular GoldDisc is one of the really old ones, and all the rest of the tracks are LP versions dubbed from other CDs. Their copy clearly isn't from vinyl, so either they obtained a tape source for this "remix" (unlikely) or they just faded the LP early (more likely).

Does anyone have the actual LP version that they can send to me for comparison purposes?

By the way, some CDs in the database still read "short dj 45 version" when it should just read "45 version."

Edited by aaronk]]> Sun, 18 May 2008 01:04:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=16353&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#16353 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11736&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11736 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2499
Posted: 02 October 2007 at 10:00am

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. So if the short DJ 45 edit is the same as the commercial 45, then the comment for all CD entries running 3:41 in the database should probably be modified to state: (commercial 45 and short DJ 45 edit). Currently, the comment for these 3:41 CD appearances only state: (short DJ 45 edit), which to me implies there's a commercial 45 version still out there not currently available on CD. I suspect some may think I'm being overly picky about the database wording, but I'm just trying to help spare other database readers from the same confusion I'm having.]]> Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:00:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11736&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11736 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11730&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11730 Author: jimct
Subject: 2499
Posted: 01 October 2007 at 11:18pm

Todd, I like that wording. The (3:41) commercial and promo 45s are the same. The remix was put out a month or so after the first promo 45. The song wasn't racing up the charts as quickly as many other of their early 80s 45s, and the label was looking to "provide another option/energize" the song's move up the charts.]]> Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:18:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11730&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11730 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11725&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11725 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2499
Posted: 01 October 2007 at 9:55pm

Sorry, I'm still not fully clear on things here... Based on Jim's report, we know that promo 45 copies of "Dare Me" running 4:05 consist of a remix. But what about the promo 45 running 3:41? Is it a remix too, or is it identical to the commercial 45?   If it's a remix, then the database comments are accurate. But if the 3:41 promo 45 is identical to the commercial 45, then I believe a simple (45 version) comment suffices here. Isn't this how Pat has always handled cases where a promo and commercial 45 are identical? I'm pretty certain he makes specific comments about a DJ edit only when it differs in some way from the commercial 45.

At any rate, I might suggest perhaps modifying the headlining comment for "Dare Me" to help add further clarification, such as:

(some dj copies of this 45 run (3:41), while other dj copies consist of a remix running (4:12) not (4:05) as stated on the record label; commercial copies all run (3:41))]]> Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:55:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11725&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11725 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11685&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11685 Author: aaronk
Subject: 2499
Posted: 29 September 2007 at 2:52pm

jimct wrote: My (4:05) promo 45 boldly states "Hot New Remix", on both sides.

I wonder if this remix is a short version of the "Extended Mix" from the 12" vinyl and Greatest Hits CD. RCA did that with a few Hall & Oates singles around the same time period.]]> Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:52:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11685&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11685 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11683&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11683 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 2499
Posted: 29 September 2007 at 2:28pm

jimct wrote: Now, if Pat would've noted "short COMMERCIAL 45 version" for the (3:41) CDs, I could then agree with you; but he hasn't.

But Pat has never used "45 version" to indicate anything but a commercial 45.

The latest update says in the header that all commercial copies ran 3:41, but then lists them as "short 45 version" next to each song, which would imply there is a long commercial 45 out there somewhere. It needs clarification... it's confusing.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:28:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2499&PID=11683&title=pointer-sisters-dare-me#11683