https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 16 Apr 2026 03:22:59 +0000 Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:30:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2643 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37387&title=abba-waterloo#37387 Author: Todd Ireland
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Posted: 19 April 2013 at 9:30pm

Thank you sir!]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:30:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37387&title=abba-waterloo#37387 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37386&title=abba-waterloo#37386 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 2643
Posted: 19 April 2013 at 9:25pm

Sure thing, Todd: 2:46 (just barely.)]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:25:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37386&title=abba-waterloo#37386 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37381&title=abba-waterloo#37381 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2643
Posted: 19 April 2013 at 8:11pm

Thank goodness the group and label didn't elect to go with the name "FABB"! ;-)

While we're at it, does anyone have a copy of ABBA's Waterloo vinyl LP who can pass along the title track's run time?]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:11:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37381&title=abba-waterloo#37381 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37353&title=abba-waterloo#37353 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 2643
Posted: 16 April 2013 at 8:35pm

Todd Ireland wrote: Yah Shure, it's interesting that out of all your "Waterloo" 45s, none of them are on the Atlantic label

Todd, I was kidding about BBAF and FABB; that was poking fun at Atlantic's use of "Frida" in the parenthetical artist names on the label, rather than Anni-Frid. All three of my Atlantic 45s have the "ABBA (Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky.... uh... sorry, wrong record... "ABBA (Bjorn, Benny, Anna & Frida) artist credit, as do the front and back cover and labels on the Atlantic Waterloo vinyl LP.   

Plastic Products and Monarch were two of the three primary independent pressing plants Atlantic contracted to manufacture the label's U.S. 45s in 1974. Plastic Products generally shipped their Atlantic singles to Waterloo, Iowa, along with the central and southern states, while Monarch handled the west (with styrene product.) The third primary pressing plant was Specialty Records (no relation to Art Rupe's L.A.-based record label) in Olyphant, PA, which shipped its ABBA singles to the eastern states.

The deadwax matrix numbers are important identifiers, of course, but in Atlantic's case, also knowing where the single was pressed provides a clearer picture of where a particular pressing variant (like the kind we often dissect right here) was most likely to have been sold.]]> Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:35:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37353&title=abba-waterloo#37353 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37349&title=abba-waterloo#37349 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 2643
Posted: 16 April 2013 at 6:38pm

Just to compare another copy, my Atlantic DJ promo has the listed time of 2:46 and running time of 2:45 on both the mono and stereo sides. A 28815-1 and STA 28815-2. Mono side sounds like a simple fold down of the stereo. ]]> Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:38:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37349&title=abba-waterloo#37349 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37345&title=abba-waterloo#37345 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2643
Posted: 16 April 2013 at 4:35pm

Yah Shure, it's interesting that out of all your "Waterloo" 45s, none of them are on the Atlantic label which issued all of ABBA's singles in the U.S. I realize that song was the group's very first chart hit in America so I'm guessing you obtained some early pressings released prior to ABBA inking their major label distribution deal with Atlantic.

For what it's worth, my copy of Joel Whitburn's Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits 1955-1999 lists the commercial 45 of "Waterloo" on Atlantic 3035 and officially credits the artist as ABBA (Bjorn, Benny, Anna & Frida)]]> Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:35:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37345&title=abba-waterloo#37345 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37337&title=abba-waterloo#37337 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 2643
Posted: 15 April 2013 at 9:56pm

Todd is right, though:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ABBA-WATERLOO-45-RPM-/360621185224?p t=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item53f6b298c8#ht_90wt_1091 ]]> Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:56:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37337&title=abba-waterloo#37337 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37334&title=abba-waterloo#37334 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 2643
Posted: 15 April 2013 at 8:31pm

Here are my actual "Waterloo" timings:

(2:45) Plastic Products DJ (stereo side): ST A 28815-4

(2:45) Plastic Products stock: ST A 28815-3

(2:44) Monarch stock: ST A2 8815-5 delta 94665

The Monarch cuts off abruptly, at the same moment the trail-out groove kicks in with a "whoomp."   The two Plastic Products pressings sound identical, with the beginning of a extra "whoa" that was lopped off of the Monarch.

And none of them were credited to "BBAF" or "FABB." ;)

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:31:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37334&title=abba-waterloo#37334 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37323&title=abba-waterloo#37323 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 2643
Posted: 15 April 2013 at 5:38pm

Actually, both 45 run times for "Waterloo" are currently entered in the database, so we're okay there. (I suspect Jim and Ed may have two different pressings that slightly differ in length.) My previous post was simply intended to point out the full artist credit as stated on commercial 45 copies (since that type of info usually gets a "released as by" comment in the database next to the song title).]]> Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:38:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37323&title=abba-waterloo#37323 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37320&title=abba-waterloo#37320 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 2643
Posted: 15 April 2013 at 2:26pm

I did not enter a time for this 45 as there seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether the actual running time is (2:42) or (2:45).]]> Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:26:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2643&PID=37320&title=abba-waterloo#37320