https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 02:47:11 +0000 Sun, 15 May 2011 23:09:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=28 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30216&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30216 Author: MMathews
Subject: 28
Posted: 15 May 2011 at 11:09pm

just another quick observation about the mix on Reggae Collection;   this mix is good for stereo fans.

In the LP version most elements are close to center, most horns and vocal tracks.
In the remix, most of horns, and the backing vocals are all split either right or left, a little more 60's style.
It's kinda cool. (nice mix, but the hit 45 with extras added is still the best, IMO).

Btw, the liner notes specify including the alternate version of "I Can See Clearly", they wanted to update it a little.
But no mention of "Stir It Up" at all.
Hmm, makes one wonder, was that very first, yellow label, non-charting 45 version really identical to the LP version?
Just wonderin' .... (sorry)

-MM

Oh, PS:
when i first bought this CD i was pleased it included all the original JAD hits along with the Epic material.
Turns out per the notes that was no problem because Johnny was one of the smart ones early on, he decided around 1962 that hereafter he'd like to OWN his own recordings, and thus, retains all the rights to his own material. I LOVE hearing those stories vs. the much more common tale. -MM]]> Sun, 15 May 2011 23:09:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30216&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30216 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30205&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30205 Author: MMathews
Subject: 28
Posted: 15 May 2011 at 2:10pm

For Pat:

(hopefully helpful) - i was thinking trying to hear the differences at the end of the track on every disc might be too daunting....

Now, i'm taking it as a "given" that "Rock Artifacts Vol 2" really is the original LP version.

So, If one is wearing headphones:

On LP version mix: right at the start, the bongos are on the LEFT. At vocal start: All vocals are centered, background singers, and the sax is in center as well.

On the Reggae Collection REMIX (it is the same take and recording):
The bongos are on the RIGHT. And at vocal start, lead vocal is center, and backing vocals are on the LEFT, sax is on the LEFT as well.
The remix was also pitched a little faster too.

Re: I Can See Clearly on Reggae Collection can also be updated the "REMIX". I was able to synch the hit version by speeding it up considerably, and found it's the same vocal track - they just remixed the whole thing.

Hope this analysis helps!!

MM

]]> Sun, 15 May 2011 14:10:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30205&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30205 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30193&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30193 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 28
Posted: 15 May 2011 at 9:36am

Thanks for showing me this version on Nash's "Reggae Collection" CD, Mark. (And interesting info, Mark!) I just gave it a listen. YES. THIS is what I heard on AT40 (albeit what I heard was in mono, but this is the stereo version of it.) And in the mono mixdown it was especially clear I wasn't hear lead vocals on two of the "little darling"s near the end of the song. Just as Pat lists the "Reggae Collection" version of "I Can See Clearly Now" as "alternate take", the same CD also contains an "alternate take" of "Stir It Up" and it should be indicated. You could also call this "Neither the LP or hit 45 mix" or "remix", as Mark indicates. The version on this CD is much closer to the original LP mix than the hit 45 mix. Pat currently has this listed as the LP mix. This means that maybe there are other entries in the database that should be listed as "alternate mix", and Pat, you may want to check them. While there may be many mix differences, the easiest way to tell the two apart (at least, it's what caught my ear) is to listen to the "little darling" at 2:37. The panning of vocals is so different and you really feel like there's no lead vocal centered in the alternate mix. But the lead vocal is clearly there and in the center on the LP mix.

Pat, can you report back here as to how many CDs have the alternate mix? I'm curious.

Also, I noticed that of the MANY cd entries for "Stir It Up" in the database, only ONE, the Time-Life CD, uses the proper hit 45 mix. Kudos to Time-Life and I'm surprised that none one of the other CD releases after that one randomly ripped their version from that CD. Does anyone recall any other instances where there are many LP mixes in the database but only ONE Time-Life CD using the proper 45 mix?

Edited by EdisonLite]]> Sun, 15 May 2011 09:36:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30193&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30193 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30185&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30185 Author: MMathews
Subject: 28
Posted: 15 May 2011 at 2:23am

Edison,

I'll send you an mp3 of the version from his CD "The Reggae Collection" .... take a listen and see if it might be what you heard. I just found the mix is different from other cd's.

The database lists "I Can See Clearly" from this CD as an alternate take, but i've suspected it might be a remix with a different drum track added.

So i was curious after reading your post, maybe Stir It Up was different too.
I pulled out Rock Artifacts Vol 2, and The Reggae Collection. These 2 mixes are different.
This version is more like the LP version than the 45 mix, it lacks all the extra vocals and instruments added to the 45 mix, however i'm hearing the placement of instruments is different, the backing vocals, etc. All these things are different on this CD.
Might have to update the db as either "remix" or "neither the 45 or LP version" ... I'm not sure which this would get.
-MM]]> Sun, 15 May 2011 02:23:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30185&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30185 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30182&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30182 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 28
Posted: 14 May 2011 at 10:11pm

What I heard on AT40 definitely wasn't an edit of the 45 and LP versions. It was missing lead vocals (only exposing background vocals on "little darling" - near the end of the song). And that's not how it is on the LP or 45 versions. So yes, it's an alternate - whether it's on a tape sent to AT40, a CD from Europe, or some 1973 vinyl pressing - we don't know. That's why I bring it up so people can check their vinyl.]]> Sat, 14 May 2011 22:11:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30182&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30182 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30174&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30174 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 28
Posted: 14 May 2011 at 5:14pm

Could the single version been on the original show, but the remastering engineer only had an LP version and inserted it into the show, leaving part of the 45 version near the end to get to Casey's outro? Making it sound like it was a new mix when it reality it's just the LP version and 45 versions spliced together at points? Sometimes they also get the splice wrong when they put these shows back together so did they accidentally repeat something? Also if it is a remastered version, the engineer could have used a Johnny Nash import CD, and who knows what kind of mixes would be on that. Lastly, some labels sent the AT 40 show reel to reel tape dubs of the songs and they could have simply gotten an incorrect dub. Lots of possibilities here. ]]> Sat, 14 May 2011 17:14:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30174&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30174 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30163&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30163 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 28
Posted: 14 May 2011 at 8:10am

I've been hearing lots of original broadcasts and rebroadcasts as of late, and I'm not sure which it's from. But even if it was on a re-airing, that still means there's a 3rd (alt) mix out there - which could have been created in 1973 or afterward.

Edited by EdisonLite]]> Sat, 14 May 2011 08:10:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30163&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30163 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30162&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30162 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 28
Posted: 13 May 2011 at 8:50pm

Are you talking about the original AT 40 LPs that you listened to or one of the radio re-broadcasts? The broadcasts are often "repaired". ]]> Fri, 13 May 2011 20:50:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30162&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30162 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30159&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30159 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 28
Posted: 13 May 2011 at 9:17am

Yes, the version I heard on AT40 seemed different.

Edited by EdisonLite]]> Fri, 13 May 2011 09:17:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30159&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30159 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30157&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30157 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 28
Posted: 13 May 2011 at 8:14am

EdisonLite wrote: I heard this song on an old AT40 this weekend, and it seemed to be a 3rd mix. It was very close to the LP mix but near the end, there seemed to be some lead vocals missing and you could only hear the background vocals (like on "little darling"). Does anyone know of this 3rd mix and what it's from? I'm pretty sure those leads weren't muted in the LP version.

So Gordon, are you saying you have identified a possible third mix of this song? ]]> Fri, 13 May 2011 08:14:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28&PID=30157&title=stir-it-up-johnny-nash#30157