https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 22:58:44 +0000 Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:40:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=315 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=46256&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#46256 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 315
Posted: 13 September 2016 at 8:40pm

"More Than A Feeling" is a great-sounding record, but not great in the audiophile sense of the word.   It's   crank-it-up-rea l-loud-till-you-blow-ou t-the-one-speaker-in-the-center-of-your-dashbaord great. Or memorable-air-band-appearance-in-the-TV-show-Scrubs great. Or inspiration-for-Nirvana's-Smells-Like-Teen-Spirit great. But it's mixed a little weird. It's pretty heavily compressed (the good analog kind of compression, like the Motown records). There's no "best" setting for the EQ - the masterings I've heard emphasize the guitars, or the bass, or the vocals, but not all together. I heard the same thing with "You Spin Me Round" by Dead Or Alive, which also is a compressed wall of sound with an odd EQ.

LP version

The oldest CD I have the LP version on is the single-artist Boston (copyright 1976), where it runs 4:45. There may be multiple masterings of the first Boston album on CD; mine is Epic EK 34188, matrix number 1A EK34188 37 C1. I think it sounds pretty good, or possibly as good as this song will sound on CD. The same analog transfer is used for:

• Sony's Feel The Love (1994; absolute polarity inverted, which doesn't affect sound quality)
• Skifan Iceland's 2-CD Pottţétt Rokk (1997; digitally exactly 0.56 dB quieter)
• Warner Special Products' 1970's Classic Rock (1999; digitally exactly 4.5 dB quieter)

There's a different analog transfer on Silver Eagle/Capitol's 3-CD Formula 45 (1988), which doesn't quite sound as good as Boston.

There's one more analog transfer on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Those Rocking '70s (1991), which has a really boomy EQ and sounds pretty bad. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Sony's Rock N' 70's (1993).

45 version

The 45 is edited from the LP version, and pitched up about 1.8%.

The 45 version (proper edit and proper speed) appears on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s (1993), where it runs 3:23, and sounds pretty good. The same analog transfer is used for:

• Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 10 Classics (1994)
• Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
• Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 4 More Than A Feeling (2006; digitally identical to Guitar Rock Vol. 10 Classics)

There are a few CDs that have the proper 45 edit, but run at the LP speed:

• Sony's Forever Pop Vol. 2 (1995)
• Sony's 2-CD Rock Train Kept A Rollin' (1999)

And finally, one disc that has the edit in the wrong place, and lets it run out to the LP ending rather than fading early:

• Rhino's Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999)

Avoid the Rhino disc for this song.

Here are editing instructions for recreating the 45 edit, using the LP version on Boston as the source. After you make your edit and fade, you'll need to pitch up by 1.8%.

Segment 1
Ends exactly one beat after slashing guitars come in right before the chorus, on a snare hit, at the beginning of a 4-snare-hit drum fill
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:42.2 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:42.2 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:40.9 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%

Remove the 124 beats (snare-to-snare) from 0:42.2 to 1:50.9 of the LP version on Boston

Segment 2
Starts on a snare hit, at the beginning of a 4-snare-hit drum fill
Extends from 1:50.9 to 4:34.8 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 0:42.2 to 3:26.0 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 0:40.9 to 3:24 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%

Fade
20 beats long
Starts and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 4:23.8 to 4:34.8 of the LP version on Boston
Extends from 3:15.0 to 3:26.0 of the 45 edit if you don't adjust the pitch
Extends from 3:11.0 to 3:24 of the 45 edit on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s, which is pitched up by about 1.8%

My recommendation for the LP version: Epic's single-artist Boston

My recommendation for the 45 edit: Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 34 Late '70s (1993)

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:40:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=46256&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#46256 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=45319&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#45319 Author: sriv94
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 March 2016 at 4:27pm

So Jim (thank you again, kind sir) sent me a dub of his promo, which matches the T-L pitch. So the Soundtrack for a Century versions still need to be reconciled as
either "45 version but slower" or "edit of LP version in an unsuccessful attempt to recreate the 45." But they are not exactly the 45.

Edited by sriv94]]> Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:27:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=45319&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#45319 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=45312&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#45312 Author: sriv94
Subject: 315
Posted: 29 March 2016 at 5:39pm

Did we ever settle this with respect to the Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' pitch? It's now noted as the 45 version along with the T-L Sounds Of The Seventies -
Late '70s disc, but the T-L version has the faster pitch and runs four seconds less.]]> Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:39:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=45312&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#45312 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27995&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27995 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 6:15pm

Another 45 I have to find.]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:15:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27995&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27995 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27991&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27991 Author: sriv94
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:39pm

I think they are, based on you saying that on the 45 version the guitar overlaps the vocal on the first chorus. It overlaps for sure on the The Late 70s CD.]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:39:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27991&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27991 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27988&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27988 Author: aaronk
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:41am

Are the Time Life 45 edits correct?]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:41:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27988&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27988 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27983&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27983 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:29am

Just FYI -

The same analog transfer is used for Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies - Late '70s (1993), Guitar Rock - Classics (1994), and Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1997; differently EQ'd digital clone of Late '70s, and the best-sounding of the bunch). All use the same edits (obviously), and have pretty similar sound quality.

I didn't check to see what's used on Sony's Rock: Train Kept A Rollin' from 1999.]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:29:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27983&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27983 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27982&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27982 Author: aaronk
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:14am

The 45's pitch is almost 2% faster than the album version, if that helps.]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:14:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27982&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27982 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27981&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27981 Author: sriv94
Subject: 315
Posted: 30 September 2010 at 5:17am

Aaron, does your 45's pitch match the faster pitch on the T-L The Late 70s CD?]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 05:17:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27981&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27981 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27976&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27976 Author: aaronk
Subject: 315
Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:06pm

I just did a careful comparison of the version found on Millennium Classic Rock with the actual 45. This CD should have the comment "unsuccessful attempt at creating the 45 version." The producer of this compilation has placed the edit in the wrong spot, so the first chorus is not the correct one. You can tell, because the sustained electric guitar before the first chorus fades completely out before the line "it's more than a feeling." On the 45's first chorus (which is the second chorus on the LP version), the sustained guitar overlaps the vocal.]]> Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:06:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=315&PID=27976&title=boston-more-than-a-feeling-edits#27976