https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 28 Apr 2026 06:06:02 +0000 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:10:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3235 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15259&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15259 Author: MMathews
Subject: 3235
Posted: 06 April 2008 at 7:10am

Hi Todd,

No problem at all. Send me an email and i'll get it to you through one of the upload services.

-MM]]> Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:10:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15259&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15259 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15221&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15221 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 3235
Posted: 05 April 2008 at 8:20am

Thanks very much for that explanation, Mark... It's great to have your expertise here as the pioneer of the "California Sun" stereo sync-up!

Now, would some generous soul tell me how I might be able to obtain the sync-up as a wave file?]]> Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:20:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15221&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15221 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15220&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15220 Author: MMathews
Subject: 3235
Posted: 05 April 2008 at 7:33am

Hi all,

I'll also send up a wave of welcome to Bud!

For Tom: (Hi Tom! Tom and I go way back to the BSN Stereo chat board ...) Yes, there are some distinctions between synch-ups, and what you or I might call "DES" but over the years i found that trying to split hairs about the differences didn't work well, so i gave up.

For Aaron: Well, each track can be a different story. Since I created the "California Sun" mix i'll explain that one. (yes, i left out that the first cdr of that originated with me ;-)

It's a simple repeating arrangement, the music they play for the instrumental intro repeats thru-out the song. So I took segments from the intro and the middle break, and edited them all together to make an "instrumental" of the entire song. Then in the analog domain, I played both sort of "DJ style" using 2 cd players with pitch wheels (dj version of 2 turntables) to synch them together. This took many tries because I assure you the drummer's tempo in that is quite "freestyle".
Then back in the digital domain i edited together all the sections that came out in best synch. The stereo reverb was added by the board i was using when synching them.
The result sounds much like a stereo synch-up of the vocal version with an instrumental version, a method done many times back in the analog era when there was no multi-track, but someone located an undubbed instrumental track for a song. I did not invent the idea, but it inspired me to try it on a lot of stuff.
It's merely a cool way to hear what it might have sounded like in stereo.
This particular one i made in 1998. (wow, where did 10 years go!).

Now, the term "DES" got coined when this and other mixes started surfacing in the computer sound editor age. Digital extraction implies some kind of digital filter was used to "extract" a vocal or other elements from a mix to create an illusion of stereo. This method has met much criticism because it often leaves behind artifacts that make the music sound strange.
Synch-ups tend to sound more believable because usually that only adds an "echo" or a delay of some type - which was common anyway in 1960's stereo mixes.

But, I've rambled on enough..i hope some of that explanation was helpful!

-Mark M
    
]]> Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:33:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15220&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15220 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15180&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15180 Author: jimct
Subject: 3235
Posted: 01 April 2008 at 9:45am

For as long as I've been communicating with AaronK at his "Texas World Headquarters", Aaron has often sung the praises of his friend/longtime radio vet/owner of a extensive music collection, "Bud". I now know that this topic was "that" Bud's first post to Pat's Board. I'd like to officially welcome Bud to our "family", and sincerely thank him for all of the "behind-the-scenes" assistance that he's provided to our stalwart Board expert, AaronK, over the past many months, while Aaron investigated/solved so many "version issues" for all of us. Thanks for all the help to Aaron, Bud, and it's truly a pleasure that you've decided to officially join our ranks! I'm anxiously looking forward to both reading/benefitting from your vast pool of music knowledge, and all that you obviously bring to the table, Bud. Welcome!]]> Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:45:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15180&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15180 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15178&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15178 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3235
Posted: 31 March 2008 at 11:55pm

How does someone create a DES if all they have to work with is a mono track?]]> Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:55:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15178&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15178 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15166&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15166 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 3235
Posted: 30 March 2008 at 5:33pm

MMathews wrote: The stereo version of that hasn't actually appeared on a commercial CD anywhere. It is a synch-up type of mix that has been passed around a lot on cdr's. Some also call these "DES" (Digitally extracted stereo).

However, a sync up to create a stereo effect isn't a DES if nothing has been extracted from the mix and added to the opposite channel...but, it is a great stereoized attempt at the song, and probably as close to the real thing as anyone will ever hear.]]> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:33:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15166&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15166 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15165&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15165 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 3235
Posted: 30 March 2008 at 5:02pm

Mark:

I just came across a copy online of what sounds exactly like DES.]]> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:02:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15165&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15165 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15164&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15164 Author: MMathews
Subject: 3235
Posted: 30 March 2008 at 4:54pm

Hello Bud,

The stereo version of that hasn't actually appeared on a commercial CD anywhere. It is a synch-up type of mix that has been passed around a lot on cdr's. Some also call these "DES" (Digitally extracted stereo).

-Mark M]]> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:54:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15164&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15164 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15163&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15163 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 3235
Posted: 30 March 2008 at 4:52pm

Would you by chance be the world famous Bud Buschardt?

As a former radio deejay, I've admired your work for many years...if it's you. :)

My copy is mono, but now I'll start searching for STEREO!]]> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:52:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15163&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15163 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15160&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15160 Author: BudB
Subject: 3235
Posted: 30 March 2008 at 2:55pm

Local station is playing in stereo. Does anyone know where to find this on CD? The station has lost its source. ]]> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:55:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3235&PID=15160&title=california-sun-rivieras-stereo#15160