https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 13 Apr 2026 04:09:26 +0000 Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:48:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=336 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=57028&title=journey-separate-ways#57028 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 336
Posted: 06 January 2021 at 9:48am

LP version

I have the LP version on Columbia's Journey Greatest Hits (1988), where it runs 5:24 and sounds just fine. The 1996 rerelease of GH is just a differently-EQ'd digital clone of the 1988 version.

There's a different analog transfer on Columbia's Journey 3-CD Time (1992), where it also runs 5:24 and also sounds just fine. The very end of the fade has a little noise that's cut shorter on Time, which is pretty insignificant.

The Time set is relatively inexpensive, and is my preferred mastering for the song, although there really isn't much difference between Time and the 1988 GH. Both have great dynamic range, nice EQ, and no evidence of any added noise reduction.

If you're going to use GH to recreate the 45 edit, the timings will be later by about 0.2 seconds and the beginning of the song and about 0.5 seconds at the end of the song. (GH runs about 0.08% slower than Time, which is completely insignificant under normal circumstances.)

45 version

I don't know the actual speed at which the 45 runs, so I'm going to assume that the speed on Time is correct. Using Time as the source, here are editing instructions for creating the 45 edit:

Segment 1
Begins on opening keyboard note, which is on a downbeat
40 beats long
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 0:00 to 0:18.3 of LP version and 45 version

Remove the 16 beats from 0:18.3 to 0:25.6 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Begins on a downbeat
180 beats long
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 0:18.3 to 1:41.4 of the 45 version
Extends from 0:25.6 to 1:48.6 of the LP version

Remove the 16 beats from 1:48.6 to 1:55.9 of the LP version.

Segment 3
Begins on a downbeat
236 beats long
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 1:41.4 to 3:29.1 of the 45 version
Extends from 1:55.9 to 3:43.6 of the LP version

Remove the 32 beats from 3:43.6 to 3:58.1 of the LP version.

Segment 4
Begins on a downbeat
96 beats long
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 3:29.1 to 4:12.4 of the 45 version
Extends from 3:58.1 to 4:41.5 of the LP version

Remove the 64 beats from 4:41.5 to 5:10.4 of the LP version.

Segment 5
Begins on a downbeat
24 beats long
Ends on the last note
Extends from 4:12.4 to 4:26.3 (with outro silence) of the 45 version
Extends from 5:10.4 to 5:24.3 (with outro silence) of the LP version

Your mixdown will run 4:26, with edits at 0:18.3, 1:41.4, 3:29.1, and 4:12.4.

I know of just three CDs that include the 45 version.

The oldest is Realm's mail-order Gold And Platinum (1986), which runs 4:27. Here, it runs about 0.33% slower than Time. It doesn't sound great here; the high end is pretty muffled. Still, it has a great dynamic range and no evidence of added noise reduction.

Next, it's on the original pressing of Priority's Eighties Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 3 Arena Rock (1992), where it runs about 0.29% faster than Time. It sounds pretty good here, which is a pleasant surprise for a release on Priority. Decent dynamic range (although it's a little loud and clips a bit), good EQ, and no evidence of any added noise reduction. Priority lost the rights to Journey tracks (sometime around 1994), and rereleased this disc, replacing "Separate Ways" with a Pat Travers song.

It's also on a UK promo disc called BBC Hits Of '83, where it has a severely muffled high end. I didn't like the sound here.

My recommendations

For the LP version, I like Columbia's Journey 3-CD Time (1992), but the 1988 release of Greatest Hits will work just fine.

For the 45 version, I made my own edit from Time, using the instructions above. (If the Realm disc runs too slow, and the Priority disc runs too fast, then Time runs just right. Goldilocks and all that.)]]> Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:48:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=57028&title=journey-separate-ways#57028 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=57025&title=journey-separate-ways#57025 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 336
Posted: 05 January 2021 at 9:23pm

The that the edit points I listed 12 years ago (!) are incorrect; I fix those in the post below.

In 1992, Priority Records released a compilation called The 80's Greatest Rock Hits Volume 3 Arena Rock, which included the 45 edit of Journey's "Separate Ways". Here's a Discogs entry of the original release (Priority P2 7074). It runs 4:25 on this disc, in case we want to enter it into the database.

At some point (1994? at least judging by the matrix number), Priority lost the rights to Journey tracks, and reissued Volumes 1 and 3 of this series with replacement tracks. Here's a Discogs entry of the rerelease (Priority P2 53715).

Note that the rerelease of this disc has a mastering error that introduces a one-sample delay between the left and right channels on tracks 1-3 and 5-9 (i.e., the tracks in common between the two releases). The mastering is otherwise identical between the two releases, except for the delay. (I confirmed by null tests and "OOPS" tests for all 8 tracks. If you would like to confirm one of these tests, use Loverboy's "Lovin' Every Minute Of It" and focus on the lead vocals. These lead vocals are essentially mono, and virtually disappear in the OOPS test for the original release, but not this rerelease.)

Ah, Priority Records... the surprises never end.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Tue, 05 Jan 2021 21:23:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=57025&title=journey-separate-ways#57025 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=54370&title=journey-separate-ways#54370 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 336
Posted: 03 May 2020 at 8:38pm

Indy500 wrote: The 45 version is the same as the 1983 video so you can use that as a reference. Man is that a goofy video.

It is a classic 80's video made on a low budget with no special effects. I know we don't mention much of what is going on in the outside world, but I could not help but mention this quarantined family out of boredom decided to recreate that goofy video.

Please help me if I get that bored...

https://vimeo.com/404483016 ]]> Sun, 03 May 2020 20:38:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=54370&title=journey-separate-ways#54370 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=51022&title=journey-separate-ways#51022 Author: Ron S
Subject: 336
Posted: 21 January 2019 at 6:10pm

crapfromthepast wrote: Back when I went through the '80s tracks, I noticed that the version on Gold & Platinum was the correct edit but the wrong speed, compared with the 45.

Faster by how much? I wish the sound quality was better on it.. The ones on
the other CDs that are the LP version sound so much better than the Gold &
Platinum 45 version.]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:10:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=51022&title=journey-separate-ways#51022 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=29084&title=journey-separate-ways#29084 Author: Indy500
Subject: 336
Posted: 02 February 2011 at 6:11pm

I just did the edit myself. The 45 version is the same as the 1983 video so you can use that as a reference.

Man is that a goofy video.

]]> Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:11:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=29084&title=journey-separate-ways#29084 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=20115&title=journey-separate-ways#20115 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 336
Posted: 19 December 2008 at 6:16pm

Back when I went through the '80s tracks, I noticed that the version on Gold & Platinum was the correct edit but the wrong speed, compared with the 45.

I did my own edit to recreate the 45, based on the version from the Time boxed set. I didn't keep super-detailed notes as to how much to remove from the album version, but there should be edit points in your 45 version at 0:14, 1:42, 3:29 and 4:10. Hope that helps.]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:16:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=20115&title=journey-separate-ways#20115 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=20112&title=journey-separate-ways#20112 Author: edtop40
Subject: 336
Posted: 19 December 2008 at 11:08am

john just did a super job of speeding up of the gold and platinum cd version and it NOW matches my 45 perfectly and runs 4:25.....THANKS JOHN!!!!...sorry for the delay in reporting....my cd burned was broken and i just got the new one today....my 45 states a run time on the label of 4:21 but actually runs 4:25....

Edited by edtop40]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:08:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=20112&title=journey-separate-ways#20112 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=18143&title=journey-separate-ways#18143 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 336
Posted: 12 August 2008 at 5:11pm

It's been over a year and a half since Jim's post regarding whether the commercial 45 of Journey's "Separate Ways (World's Apart)" runs 4:24 or 4:26. Well, I've consulted our good friend from Japan, abagon, about the timing info on his stock copy and was hoping he could settle this once and for all. His verdict... The actual 45 run time is 4:25, not 4:21 as stated on the record label! LOL Perhaps we should just go with his 4:25 time since it falls right in between Jim's 4:24 and Ed's 4:26? :-)

It really makes no difference to me which of the times we go with, but I think it would be nice to see commercial 45 run time info included in the database along with the DJ info.]]> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:11:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=18143&title=journey-separate-ways#18143 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=8457&title=journey-separate-ways#8457 Author: jimct
Subject: 336
Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:23pm

Ed: I also have that "Gold & Platinum" CD. I'm gonna be mailing out a parcel to a certain Board expert on Friday anyway, and I will now make sure I include my ZSS-170770-1A promo 45 (which matches you commercial 45 deadwax), and a "Gold & Platinum" CD-R dub of it, for evaluation/analysis. He'll be able to work out the (4:24) vs (4:26) timing gremlins for us. No big deal, really. ]]> Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:23:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=8457&title=journey-separate-ways#8457 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=8455&title=journey-separate-ways#8455 Author: edtop40
Subject: 336
Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:12pm

jim.......my commercial 45 has on the deadwax area "zss - 170770 - 1a" on side a with the song "separate ways (worlds apart)"....this is different than what is mentioned above...can i send you an mp3 of the 45 for your review?.....maybe mine is the same as you promo B-side.....lmk if i can send to you...]]> Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:12:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=336&PID=8455&title=journey-separate-ways#8455