https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 02 May 2026 16:25:13 +0000 Fri, 07 Mar 2025 05:02:47 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=356 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65930&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65930 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 356
Posted: 07 March 2025 at 5:02am

Does the original commercial cassingle & 45 sound like the
promo CD or does it sound closer to the CD album transfer?

Andy]]> Fri, 07 Mar 2025 05:02:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65930&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65930 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65921&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65921 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 8:40pm

prisdeej, if you feel up to it, feel free to shoot Timmy a message on social media regarding the mastering backstory of "One More Time" and see if he replies! (I remain very "anti-social media", so I don't have any social media accounts at all.) The last I heard, he was working as a radio station DJ somewhere in southern California. He might possibly be able to shed some light on this, and it would be interesting to see what he says!]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 20:40:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65921&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65921 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65920&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65920 Author: prisdeej
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 8:25pm

Todd Ireland wrote: For one, I bought the Time After Time disc in early 1991 during "One More Try"'s chart run, so I am well accustomed to hearing the son in this "warmer, murkier" sound and actually personally prefer it over the much brighter "Radio Mix" counterpart (and, yes, I realize that I may represent a minority opinion here).

It's so funny you mention this. I started my broadcast radio career in 2000 and this track was a power recurrent at the AC station I started at. It was recorded in real time in stations digital
library from TM GoldDisc. Whomever recorded it before I started potted to Mackie too hot, so I redubbed it myself, (this was first song I ever dubbed in, as I was learning how to do this) Come to
think of it, the Radio Version is hissy, but it's the only version that I'm used to hearing. The "warmer, murkier" sound from the album stood out to me like a soar thumb. It never sounded right,
and it still doesn't. And I also agree this a very drastic change in EQ/NR for a track in 1991. Timmy -T- is active on social media, perhaps he may know the mastering history behind this platinum
record. If my recollection is correct I don't even think he was signed to a major record label when this song hit #1.

Edited by prisdeej]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 20:25:12 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65920&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65920 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65917&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65917 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 7:19pm

I suspect it was more likely a major high frequency boost, Aaron. It was certainly commonplace in the pop music climate back in the '80s and early '90s for songs to be mastered with heavy mid-range and treble. Therefore, it makes sense that Timmy T's record label might have deemed it was necessary for "One More Try" to undergo the same treatment as a single release for radio airplay consideration.]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 19:19:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65917&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65917 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65916&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65916 Author: aaronk
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 7:07pm

Hard to know for sure, but in any case, I removed the comment for the parent CD for now. I don't hear any mix differences that would warrant an "LP version." The only difference is EQ (or Dolby decoding). The puzzling part about the Dolby theory is that the two files stay perfectly in sync. If it were Dolby, I would expect it to be a different transfer of the tape. As such, maybe it truly is just a major high frequency boost to the original CD version.]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 19:07:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65916&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65916 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65915&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65915 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 7:03pm

Ooo... I didn't even think about the possibility that Dolby noise reduction could have been used here, though it certainly does sound like the so-called "Radio Mix" also received a sharp bump in the upper frequency range.]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 19:03:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65915&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65915 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65914&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65914 Author: aaronk
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 6:58pm

I put my headphones on, and I agree. "Poor fidelity" is not quite accurate. I think what might be going on here is some incorrectly applied Dolby noise reduction settings. The promo CD sounds hissy, like someone forgot to turn the Dolby on when they transferred the tape. That's not to say the parent LP sounds "great," as I think the NR is too aggressive on that CD. The best I can describe it is slightly muffled. Nevertheless, it is the same mix.]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 18:58:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65914&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65914 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65913&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65913 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 356
Posted: 06 March 2025 at 6:33pm

Though I agree that the EQ difference between the single and album release of Timmy T's "One More Try" is quite stark, I'm in the camp that doesn't think EQ alone should be enough to warrant a 45/LP designation. If we grant such a distinction here, then what about, say, the EQ difference between the 45 and LP release of Glass Tiger's "Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone)" in which the 45 also has a noticeably brighter high end than the LP? I'll certainly grant that the difference is not nearly as drastic as with "One More Try", though, so how can we draw the line between these two cases? In short, there's really no measurable way to do so, and that's why I'm personally against making "45/LP mix" designations of this nature.

Now, having said that, I also respectfully disagree with the "poor fidelity" comment on the Time After Time CD. I just don't think this is an accurate description. For one, I bought the Time After Time disc in early 1991 during "One More Try"'s chart run, so I am well accustomed to hearing the song in this "warmer, murkier" sound and actually personally prefer it over the much brighter "Radio Mix" counterpart (and, yes, I realize that I may represent a minority opinion here). Therefore, I don't attribute anything being "wrong" with the sound quality, per se. I think that's just the way the song was initially designed to be heard when this uptempo mix was first created and released on CD.

Also, I performed an A/B of "One More Try" from the Time After Time disc to the same track appearing on the Hard To Find 45s On CD, Vol. 15: 80s Essentials & Beyond various artists CD (Eric 11534), mastered by a record label that has long prided itself on providing exceptional sound quality. To my ears, the audio is virtually identical between the two sources (it's a pity that the disc's audio engineer and our old friend Mark Matthews is no longer here to chime in about this recording :-(). This means, for consistency purposes, we'll need to go through each and every database disc containing "One More Try" to determine all that have the "poor fidelity" and identify them as such.

I'll concede that this is a difficult case and that I'm currently unable to think of a better database comment suggestion for the Time After Time CD. Maybe we should consider leaving it with no comment like before, I don't know? For now, it just looks strange to me to see a parent album released in 1990 being presented as though it contains a dubious mastering error!

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Thu, 06 Mar 2025 18:33:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65913&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65913 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65893&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65893 Author: aaronk
Subject: 356
Posted: 05 March 2025 at 3:58pm

The Radio Version and CD version from Time After Time stay perfectly in sync. I gave the full-length CD version a huge high end boost, and I hear no mix differences between the two. As such, I'm going to notate the CD as "poor fidelity" or something of that nature.]]> Wed, 05 Mar 2025 15:58:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65893&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65893 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65891&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65891 Author: prisdeej
Subject: 356
Posted: 05 March 2025 at 2:36pm

Bumping for LP/45 designation. ]]> Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:36:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=356&PID=65891&title=one-more-try-timmy-t#65891